Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:55 pm GMT by Red Bullet
I was in another tourney tonight at PokerStars, and this time I went out in 15 minutes. I had a set of 10, and got beat by a full house. What the hell is going on?! How many times is a set going to get beat by a full house?! I'm starting to think that playing online tourneys is not the place to play, and maybe I'll get a fairer shake playing in a tourney in a brick and mortar casino. This is only my second tourney I've ever played in, but what happened tonight just doesen't seem right to me. Unbelievable!
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Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:15 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
Is this a bad beat story or an "online poker is rigged" thread?
So your set loses to a full house.
I'll inform the press right away!
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:34 pm GMT by Red Bullet
Hay Webmaster go f*ck Yourself! a**hole! You no good PIECE OF SHIT!
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:59 pm GMT by swiftone
 this thread amuses me.
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:12 pm GMT by Red Bullet
This amuses you swift? In what way? This I have to hear. I could use a good laugh right now.
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:16 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Sigh.
Bullet, online is not rigged, slanted, or different from B and M in any way with regards to card randomness. It was simply bad luck and possibily the fact that (maybe) you didn't play it very well. I do not know this however considering you didn't provide a HH.
Everyone else, let's turn it down a notch on the "online is rigged" people?
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:27 pm GMT by Iron Butt
| Red Bullet wrote: | | This is only my second tourney I've ever played in, but what happened tonight just doesen't seem right to me. Unbelievable! |
There's your problem right there. Play 2-300 tournaments and get back to us. Or not, after this you'll probably be banned anyway.
Also, your post reveals that you don't know what a "set" is.
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:18 pm GMT by TheSalche
psssttt ...
webby is a moderator
shhh ... dont tell anybody
oh and if your set loses to a full house, wouldnt that mean they have the "real" set i.e.
board of J 7 9 9 2
They hold 77 in the hole and you have a 9?
Is that what you're talking about?
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:36 pm GMT by Red Bullet
I never said that that the tourney was rigged, even though it may have sounded like I implied that. It was just a bad beat that I'll eventually get over. Actually, I've already gotten over it.
If I'm banned, then I'm banned. There's nothing I can do about it. Webmasterbator pissed me off, so I let him have it.
Lastly, Iron, I don't know where you came up with that I don't know what a set is. I had 3 tens, and got beat by a full house.
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:39 pm GMT by TheSalche
| Red Bullet wrote: | | Lastly, Iron, I don't know where you came up with that I don't know what a set is. I had 3 tens, and got beat by a full house. |
he means what i mean
usually when we say 'set' we refer to three of a kind where two of your cards are buried.
when the board is paired (i.e. J 7 9 9 2) and you hold a third card of that pair in your hand (i.e. A 9) thats usually referred to as trips
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:40 pm GMT by Jauron
Webby knows how to bring the fire out eh?
It sucks man, hang in there though. I've got some beats that would make you cry, and nothing is worse than being in a big MTT and getting knocked out when you thought you had the rocks, but it happens.
Every time I think it's too much I watch some WSOP ME and watch some of the beats I see there to remind me poker can be cruel sometimes to players who are not me. :D
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:40 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Technicalities but yes, I agree with Salche.
It's the same issue as when PF UTG bets 300, or on the flop when he's first to act and he raises 300.
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:43 pm GMT by TheSalche
not really the same thing IMO leafs ... but thats cause im anal about the use of bet/raise
i believe that betting is the act of being the first person to make a bet, and that raising only occurs when somebody has bet before you (including the blinds) and you are raising the stakes.
but like i said ... im anal about that :D
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:45 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I agree w/ you too, and I used to be like that too, but then I realized that it's just such a pointless thing to argue. Like even some announcers on TV screw the 2 terms up.
Previously I used to correct everyone when they misused them, now I just give up and stop trying  .
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:58 pm GMT by Red Bullet
Actually it was the other way around. I had 10 10 in the hole, and on the flop came 10 7 J. Ok, this would be trips instead of a set. I got it.
I really thought I had the nuts, and then got beat on the river. What hurt most was going out in the first 15 minutes of the tourney. I thought I was going to last longer than that. Oh well.
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:59 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
TT with T on board = set.
Just for technicality's sake.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:04 am GMT by TheSalche
| Red Bullet wrote: | Actually it was the other way around. I had 10 10 in the hole, and on the flop came 10 7 J. Ok, this would be trips instead of a set. I got it.
I really thought I had the nuts, and then got beat on the river. What hurt most was going out in the first 15 minutes of the tourney. I thought I was going to last longer than that. Oh well. |
post the friggin' hand to avoid confusion ...
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:20 am GMT by Iron Butt
 A set is a pair in your hand with a third matching card on the board. It's a useful distinction because it's much better to have a set than trips for various reasons.
So if you have a set, and the board pairs, which is required for a full house to be possible, you have a full house. So the OP either lost with a full house to a better full house or didn't have a set. Also in the OP's later post, 98 would be the nuts, followed by JJ.
No big deal Bullet, no one's born knowing how to play poker, but see where maybe you're not in a position to come in here and tell people what's what about poker? Plus flaming mods is never good...
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:22 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Webby is used to it xD.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:58 am GMT by tame_deuces
Yeah, ask Webby what pokerstars did to his chat.
and to the OP: Standard. This won't be the last time you lose with an underfull.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:12 am GMT by MrDarling
You can't lose with a SET to a boat. Simply can't happen. If they have a boat it means you have a boat. if their boat is bigger then your, then you were beaten from the start, and its not even a bad beat.
A very important thing in poker (which I only really started doing after playing omaha) is to determine what is the nuts on any board.
Like stated above , The nut in the example will be the str8, followed by a set of J then a set of T . So your hand was only the 3rd strongest on the flop.
Does it mean I lay it down, hell no. but I'll slow it down if I see great resistance.
And yeah, your post did imply you think online is rigged. And yes, your reply to web was rude and not called for.
Take a deep breath, relax and you'll find your A game sooner or later.
BTW, even when you do have the nuts on the flop, something can still happen and take it away from you - that's the beauty of poker 
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:59 am GMT by Red Bullet
On the Flop came 10 7 J
On the Turn came J
On the River came 5
My hole cards were 10 10
OP's hole cards were J 7
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:14 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Jeez I really wish i hadn't looked back at this thread, now i got to decide whether or not to ban this tool.
I know my post was sarcastic but did it really warrant the vitriolic outpouring that followed?
Ugh!
I really hate this!
I mean the guy is onv. a n00b, both to poker and dealing with people and could obv. use the help that this board will provide.
I'm not gonna ban him, at this moment in time.
But I AM gonna f*ck with him a little because NOBODY get's away with talking to me like that!
RED BULLET: You will carry your tag until such times as you learn a little respect for others and I see fit to remove it.
I amuse me!
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:00 pm GMT by Red Bullet
If you're expecting an apology Web, you can just forget it, because you'll never get one from me. I have a short temper, and if you piss me off like you did, then I'm not going to hesitate to let you have it. You got what you deserved.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:59 pm GMT by efram
Maybe you should work on your short temper bullet.
Life is too short to let the little things get to you like that.
Web made a sarcastic remark that was uncalled for, however your
response was equally uncalled for.
Relax a little. Its not like web punched you in the face, or
stole from you, or threatened your health/well being.
Short fuses could lead to trouble in life, road rage, assault, jail, etc.
Something to think about, and work on.
You could have responded to web's sarcasm with something more appropriate and thoughtful and gotten more results then your vitriolic outburst would ever accomplish.
just hopin to cause you to think some about your temper.
No harm, no foul.
on a side note, poker is a game of emotions, if you let bad beats get to you easily, you will tilt and play poorly. I think many on this forum can attest to that. I know I've let my emotions run amok and my play plummets. Emotional control is an important key to being a successful poker player.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:39 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
God I'm so funny!
anyways...
| Red Bullet wrote: | | If you're expecting an apology Web, you can just forget it, |
No, altho that would have shown you were on the right path. I do expect a change in attitude tho.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:11 pm GMT by Red Bullet
I can't promise anything, but I'll try to keep my temper under control. That's the best that I can do for right now.
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:11 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
Is this thread a joke?
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:49 am GMT by UrAteUp
| mortaleclipse wrote: | | Is this thread a joke? |
nah it's too hot heads getting in touch with each other... . I can almost feel love in the air between these two...
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:55 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
I am NOT a hothead UAU!
I am actually a very nice chap indeed! :D
Hrmmm... I think I should tag you too UAU 
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:33 pm GMT by ninetensuited
nothing hides the fact that redbullet is a loser:) a loser who cant accept the fact that he got outplayed by J7o
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:38 pm GMT by golddog
| Red Bullet wrote: | | I can't promise anything, but I'll try to keep my temper under control. That's the best that I can do for right now. |
A good thing, not just for the forum. These kinds of crazy plays are going to happen, and you have to learn to deal with it or you'll explode.
Now, in terms of some education...one thing I'd look at is the preflop action. If you raised say 3-4 times the blind, and this guy still called with J7, well, you'll run him down.
If you didn't raise, or let him be priced in, there's your problem right there.
As with all things poker, read and situation dependent, of course.
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:43 pm GMT by Miss_J
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | Technicalities but yes, I agree with Salche.
It's the same issue as when PF UTG bets 300, or on the flop when he's first to act and he raises 300. |
i think this is different. you can't raise something that isn't there. therefore the correct terminology is bet.
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:47 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | I am NOT a hothead UAU!
I am actually a very nice chap indeed! :D |
...i didn't ask how you look in chaps Webby...not a picture I want in my head...maybe Geno might though...
| Quote: | | Hrmmm... I think I should tag you too UAU |
Tag away bigtime...
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:45 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Sorry for your misfortune, but there is now way an opponent is going to lay down Top and Bottom pairs on the flop.
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