Did I fold the best hand here? |
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Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:39 am GMT by efram
PokerStars Game #6303950995: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/09/16 - 04:33:06 (ET)
Table 'Miriam' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Hiroyui ($6.90 in chips)
Seat 4: zelmer420 ($15 in chips)
Seat 5: Efram ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 6: kbpandaman ($24.05 in chips)
kbpandaman: posts small blind $0.10
Hiroyui: posts big blind $0.25
Morgan5: sits out
zelmer420: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Efram  
zelmer420: checks
Efram: calls $0.25
kbpandaman: raises $0.75 to $1
Hiroyui: folds
zelmer420: folds
Efram: calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***   
kbpandaman: bets $1.50
Efram: raises $1.50 to $3
kbpandaman: raises $4 to $7
dowjaking has returned
Efram: folds
kbpandaman collected $8.10 from pot
kbpandaman: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.50 | Rake $0.40
Board
Seat 2: Hiroyui (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: zelmer420 folded before Flop
Seat 5: Efram (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: kbpandaman (small blind) collected ($8.10)
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Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:44 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Probably not.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:01 am GMT by MrDarling
In these levels, my guess is yes!
Most players in low levels didn't hear about slow playing
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:47 am GMT by tame_deuces
| MrDarling wrote: |
Most players in low levels didn't hear about slow playing |
Good for them, because slowplaying is a horrible play 99% of the time it is being used.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:50 am GMT by Johny
I doubt it very much that you folded the best hand.
I don't really like you're raise on the flop either, don't see the need to get involved.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:27 am GMT by MrDarling
| tame_deuces wrote: | | MrDarling wrote: |
Most players in low levels didn't hear about slow playing |
Good for them, because slowplaying is a horrible play 99% of the time it is being used. |
Really ?
If I had an A here I would slowplay the hell out of it!
the only thing that might beat me on this flop is :
A9, Pocket 9's or A with a higher kicker.
What can come that will still beat me?
Backdoor flush or str8 - will worry about that on the turn.
A late in the hand set - slim odds, I'll take my chances against 2 outs.
Weaker kicker A pairing - again, slim odds.
So if my kicker is good, and it should be good for me to raise preflop or even play most A's - I'm slow playing this to the river. Giving him all the free cards he wants and hoping he might make a hand.
The other day I played 69s first hand of a S&G (normally would never play this hands - but on level 1 I could afford to and the voices told me to play it  )
Flop came 699 and you better believe it I slow played it all the way to the river where I ended up CALLING an allin and taking 2 players out.
One of the players had a single 9 which he also slow played... now do you think there was any chance of him going out of this hand if he didn't slow played and I showed resistance - he had a good kicker so I think he would have gone bust in any case. So even his slow play is sort of ok. Though I almost never slow play trips.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:33 am GMT by Jefecaminador
| MrDarling wrote: |
If I had an A here I would slowplay the hell out of it!
Though I almost never slow play trips. |
So do you or don't you slow play.
Theres a lot of hands you have to worry about that the raiser probably has.
You gotta ask yourself, what could he be raising with preflop? Most likely its AK AQ or a medium to high pocket pair. I guess occasionaly they might raise with KQ as well, unless you know the guy raises with a lot of marginal hands you have to put him on something like the above hands. So what can you possibly be beating here? pocket 7's and 8's and KQ. You're losing to everything else. Unless you know hes full of shit almost all of the time, let the hand go. The money you're putting in after the flop is a lot more than the money you put in before, there really is no need to be committing more money to a hand where you are likely to be far behind.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:53 am GMT by tame_deuces
Oh, there was a hand here too!
1. I don't like open-limping preflop UTG+1, esp. w/a dead blind in there I think we should raise this for a steal.
2. I wouldn't have raised the flop, if I wanted to continue I'd just float his bet. 99% of low stakes players would expect a preflop caller to slowplay an ace here anyway, so if he doesn't have an ace he probably will consider that you might have one. Then bet the turn if checked too or raise suspicisous turn bets.
Apart from that you can really just fold too, the majority of raising hands in low stakes 6-max contains aces.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:47 pm GMT by Jauron
| tame_deuces wrote: | | MrDarling wrote: |
Most players in low levels didn't hear about slow playing |
Good for them, because slowplaying is a horrible play 99% of the time it is being used. |
I wouldn't say it was as high as 99% but I'd say a good 80% of the time people slow play it's for all the wrong reasons and it is a bad play.
I also think way to many people slow play at those limits, it's all they know how to do when they flop a real hand.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:38 pm GMT by mrcfkane
betting out tends to disguise monsters more than slowplaying does...
i only slow play when there arent many draws that can beat me and my opponent is pretty aggressive, even still i wont slow play much since if you slow play your bluffs dont get enough credibilty
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