Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:01 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
PokerStars Game #6304007989: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/09/16 - 04:46:46 (ET)
Table 'Ida III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 1pup ($142.55 in chips)
Seat 3: trizzie03 ($93 in chips)
Seat 4: Turn_Prophet ($105.55 in chips)
Seat 5: drewshark1 ($101.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Oscar_03 ($56.45 in chips)
trizzie03: posts small blind $0.50
Turn_Prophet: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
drewshark1: folds
Oscar_03: folds
1pup: calls $1
trizzie03: folds
Turn_Prophet: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Turn_Prophet: checks
1pup: bets $100
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Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:03 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Ugh, I don't see how. I certainly couldn't.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:44 am GMT by fiezk
only hand that makes even remotely sense is a set of 6's.
That being said, there's no way I could lay that down without a read.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:11 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
He has TT, THAT is the only possible explanation. He has TT and is happy to have an all unders flop and wants to take the couple $'s in the pot rather than risk overcards coming, you reraise here.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:21 am GMT by gumbie
I really don't think people should be allowed to post garbage like this in the advanced theory forum.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:35 am GMT by tame_deuces
Whut? Easiest call (ok..shove) in the world. Even misclicks/preflop slowplay/retarded (semi)bluffs are more likely than an overset here.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:44 am GMT by Johny
Insta call. I'm not laying this down. If he has a higher set, then so be it.
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:58 am GMT by kingetje
thats gotta be the easiest money ever
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:31 am GMT by Skribbles
Insta-call.
Edit: If you don't call here, never play a low PP again.
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:20 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Well, obviously I did call. Villain had 66 for higher set and I got stacked, but that is bound to happen in most set over set confrontations. His bet just seemed so unreal that I literally just sat back and gawked for a few seconds.
| gumbie wrote: | | I really don't think people should be allowed to post garbage like this in the advanced theory forum. |
Boy, you've got quite some nerve making a comment like that, sir. Are we not allowed to think for two seconds and get the opinion of our colleagues when an opponent bets 50x the pot? If I had AA, would my question be "garbage" too? What if this was hand one of the WSOP? Garbage?
In the end I agree that calling is pretty clear, but I think villain's play (although it worked this time) was terrible--I'm pretty sure we're all in agreement with that, no? 22 is the only hand he could have got paid off on, literally. That would be such an easy overpair fold it's not even funny.
Note: happy ending... I got that hundred back from pup when I turned a straight against another flopped set. Then he called me a terrible player (I suppose it was for calling his 1.5x raise of my bet) and left the table.
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:30 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
You're joking? What was he thinking? The only hands that are paying off such a huge overbet are another set or huge pp. What are the odds of that happening? The next 365 times he tries this he will get an insta-fold.
Of course you have the right to post this, I personally enjoy these little situational dilemmas, more value than 100% of gumbie's posts anyways 
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:33 am GMT by snoogins47
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | That would be such an easy overpair fold it's not even funny. |
This is what's going to make this post interesting. I don't think this is necessarily an easy KK/AA fold. There are players that I almost hurt myself because of how hard I call with an overpair here. Not that it matters much, since there are very few players that'll play anything like this.
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:46 am GMT by tame_deuces
I agree with the above, it is just a stack and there are too many players who almost never felt with overpairs when it is clearly many cases where doing so is correct.
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:59 am GMT by kingetje
| kingetje wrote: | | thats gotta be the easiest money ever |
let me change this to:
thats gotta be the worst play ever
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:02 pm GMT by khaosanroad
maybe he was doing those long equations where getting called on that play even just 10% of the time is +EV in his mind.
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:57 pm GMT by gumbie
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: |
Boy, you've got quite some nerve making a comment like that, sir. |
I apologise for being so abrupt.
I was upset because the question in the thread title is pointless and focuses on the only uninteresting part of the hand (because you know the answer and know everyone else is going to answer the same).
The part which IS interesting, aside from the unorthodox open-limp on the button, is villain's push, which may or may not be based on how he views you or how he thinks you see him.
The push does in my view have a lot more value than many of you think against a random opponent at those stakes who may have a much broader calling range ?... hands which they may fold if it gets raised back and forth in a small pot such as that.
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:22 am GMT by fiezk
Before I say anything I'd just like to say that I would call.
There's a point to be made here, Doyle touches the topic briefly in SS2 (and SS1?), about not going broke in an unraised pot. The situation he describes is slightly different, but it has some similarities.
Let's assume for just a moment that Villain is not totally insane. Making a bet of 50 times the pot with any over pair (which doesn't fit anyway since he didn't raise pre flop) would be a big money losing move. Any hand that gives him two pair would most likely be folded pre flop. There is no flush draw present, so no combination-draw possible. That leaves you with a set of 66 or possibly 96s as 'possibles'. Otherwise, given that hero is a good player, this bet would lose him a lot of money in the long run.
Considering the size of the bet in relation to the pot it all comes down to: Do you, or don't you, think you have the best hand at this point? It's all read dependent. There are some players I would lay this down to, and many more I would call against. Something to remember at these limits is that there are quite a few players who make big bets with big hands and regular bets with 'regular' hands, bluffs, etc.
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:36 am GMT by snoogins47
| gumbie wrote: | | The push does in my view have a lot more value than many of you think against a random opponent at those stakes who may have a much broader calling range ?... hands which they may fold if it gets raised back and forth in a small pot such as that. |
You're probably right, and I'm one of those donkesque sorts that uses the "overbet for value" thing pretty frequently. I don't like this line particularly with this hand, but I think he gets overpair calls a lot more often than most people would think. Besides, open-pushing is fun.
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:39 am GMT by UrAteUp
| snoogins47 wrote: | | donkesque . |
Donkoogins or Doogins? ...  .
DC you made the right call. Nothing you could do about that. I think villian played his hand well even with a push. He was only beat if you had 99 so why not push there and see if he can take it down. If you call then he makes even more $$$.
Glad you got your money back from this guy in the end. Just goes to show patience is a virtue and can be rewarded.
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:01 pm GMT by Jauron
Very strange play the villian who had no reason to think you'd call any bet let alone an all-in here.
Chalk one up to bad play at the right time.
Posted Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:17 am GMT by MrDarling
So, will you guys fold Q's , K's or even A's to such a bet on such a flop?
Keep in mind, sitting in the blinds with everyone but villain already folded - you are in a HU situation with no real need to advertise the strength of your hand?
So, what do you do?
Posted Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:12 pm GMT by suitedaces84
It's obvious you guys rarely or never overbet. If you did, you'd realize that players will call with way more than a set or two pair.
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