flopped full house, not enough! |
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Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:33 pm GMT by odlozilik
Well, what to say...How easy is to lose the "nuts".
Stage #449395226: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2006-09-16 01:28:20 (ET)
Table: LANCASTER (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - BOBGOP1 ($1.45 in chips)
Seat 7 - ODLOZILIK ($1.30 in chips)
Seat 8 - BIGMOBA ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 1 - GAGYA ($5.90 in chips)
Seat 4 - FELICITAS ($3.65 in chips)
Seat 5 - MRRENO4012 ($5.15 in chips)
ODLOZILIK - Posts small blind $0.05
BIGMOBA - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to ODLOZILIK  
GAGYA - Calls $0.10
FELICITAS - Calls $0.10
MRRENO4012 - Folds
BOBGOP1 - Folds
ODLOZILIK - Calls $0.05
BIGMOBA - Checks
*** FLOP ***   
ODLOZILIK - Checks
BIGMOBA - Bets $0.10
GAGYA - Folds
FELICITAS - Folds
ODLOZILIK - Calls $0.10
*** TURN *** 
ODLOZILIK - Checks
BIGMOBA - Bets $0.20
ODLOZILIK - Calls $0.20
*** RIVER *** 
ODLOZILIK - Bets $0.30
BIGMOBA - Raises $1.20 to $1.20
ODLOZILIK - All-In $0.60
BIGMOBA - returned ($0.30) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGMOBA - Shows   (Full house, kings full of sevens)
ODLOZILIK - Shows (Full house, sevens full of kings)
BIGMOBA Collects $2.70 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2.80) | Rake ($0.10)
Board
Seat 1: GAGYA Folded on the FLOP
Seat 4: FELICITAS Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: MRRENO4012 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BOBGOP1 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: ODLOZILIK (small blind) HI:lost with Full house, sevens full of kings -
Seat 8: BIGMOBA (big blind) won Total ($2.70) HI:($2.70) with Full house, kings full of sevens -
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Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
Can I ask why you are playing 47o (and don't say "I was in the small blind, blah blah blah)? I saw in another thread you limped UTG with J7o.
IMO, if you play junk hands like this, you are constantly going to be complaining about bad beats. Work on your hand selection.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:59 pm GMT by Skribbles
Getting 7:1 pre-flop this is a MUST call w/ 74o. The hand was just played horribly....
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:03 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| Skribbles wrote: | | Getting 7:1 pre-flop this is a MUST call w/ 74o. The hand was just played horribly.... |
I understand that, but 199 hands out of 200 you are automatically check/folding on the flop, so why waste the extra SB? I do call with those odds with just about any hand, but 72, 73, 74, 82, etc. just are not worthy of that extra SB. Just my opinion.
A big part of me even replying to this was because of the J7o in another thread where he limped UTG.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:10 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Dat_Dude wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: | | Getting 7:1 pre-flop this is a MUST call w/ 74o. The hand was just played horribly.... |
I understand that, but 199 hands out of 200 you are automatically check/folding on the flop, so why waste the extra SB? I do call with those odds with just about any hand, but 72, 73, 74, 82, etc. just are not worthy of that extra SB. Just my opinion.
A big part of me even replying to this was because of the J7o in another thread where he limped UTG. |
J7o UTG is horrible... but the only hands that I consider folding from the SB getting 7:1 are hands like 72, 82, 92 etc...
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:59 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
I usually fold preflop there too...i figure the chances of a playable flop are about 1 in 11 or so....after implied odds being nice to you, i need 3 limpers to play hands that crappy...here's how it breaks down according to our Pre-Flop Calculator on the flop:
2 pair or better: 6.36%
4 Flush: 2.24% (and everybody checks, and you catch yer flush, and nobody has a better flush, lets reduce this to like .1%)
1 pair: 26.94% (and its top pair, prolly makes it like 1.5%)
so yer looking at maybe 8% chance of a playable hand at best, and those hands aren't even clear winners...7:1 isn't good enuf for me....i think the only other argument that could be made is that if you hit a hand, you'll prolly get paid off fairly well since its gotta be a big hand to be playable...but that doesn't swing the terrible 8%....and yes, w/ a very raggy flop, you may be able to buy the pot, but I'm not really a fan of bluffing against 3 other ppl when I may be holding the worst possible hand 
I used to call from the sb w/ nearly anything just cuz of the implied odds...but i started thinking about it, and I also noticed that poker tracker told me that I lose more from the sb by far than from any other position
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:30 pm GMT by odlozilik
Hi all,
thanks for your replies, however they were, lol. First to say, I am not actually really complaining about my bad beats, I just want to share it and see, what others think about it. You know, I am not living in a "poker country", almost nobody plays poker here, so I can't find anybody to speak about it, except such a forums or directly at the tables.
To comment my another play with J7 off, I was actually wondering whether to play it or not. Sometimes I fold such a hand, sometimes I play it, it's somehow "on the border". My intuition was good in that case (I wouldn't catch the str8flush if I fold it). About 74off, I really called just because I was SB, otherwise I would surely fold it. (by the way, I saw on the another post someone even raising preflop with 74 and calling, when reraised, and then beating pocket aces).
I don't know, why to consider my playing that hand horrible, isn't it normal to slowplay flopped full house? (only 1 player was remaining in play).
Well, I am not playing for a long time yet (less than 1 year), but I do quite well (made over 200$ on Absolute Poker without the deposit), so no real reasons to complain, lol.
Do you really mean to check/fold it 199 of 200 hands on the flop? I think with only 2 more players remaining, even if I flopped just 1 pair it would be quite probable I have the best hand on the flop, or not?
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:37 pm GMT by Skribbles
| odlozilik wrote: | Hi all,
thanks for your replies, however they were, lol. First to say, I am not actually really complaining about my bad beats, I just want to share it and see, what others think about it. |
Thats what this part of the forum is for!
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(by the way, I saw on the another post someone even raising preflop with 74 and calling, when reraised, and then beating pocket aces). |
That was my post... 
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I don't know, why to consider my playing that hand horrible, isn't it normal to slowplay flopped full house? (only 1 player was remaining in play). |
You got a big hand, you want money in the pot. If you lead out here your oppenent may put you on just the 4 figuring that you'd slowplay a 7. So if he had an overpair or even two overs he may call. The bad play was the river. He increased his bet when the king hit and then re-raises you all in when the 2nd K hit. He did everything to tell you he had a boat except type it in chat.
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Do you really mean to check/fold it 199 of 200 hands on the flop? I think with only 2 more players remaining, even if I flopped just 1 pair it would be quite probable I have the best hand on the flop, or not? |
Not sure what you are refering to here...
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:55 pm GMT by odlozilik
| Quote: | | The bad play was the river. He increased his bet when the king hit and then re-raises you all in when the 2nd K hit. He did everything to tell you he had a boat except type it in chat. |
Ok, I was pretty sure he had the king, but I called moreless just to see and for the case if he bluffed. It didn't cost me that much.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:51 am GMT by Dat_Dude
| Skribbles wrote: |
Not sure what you are refering to here... |
He is referring to my comment when I said you are folding 199 times out of 200. I meant that 199 times you limp with 47o, you will miss the flop and end up check/folding. That is a very rough number, but the number of times you hit a flop with 47o has to be around that number.
So if I had this hand and actually called the flop and hit it...I would have check/raised the flop, bet large on the turn and got all my money in at some point.
And odl, if you are going to play J7o like you said you "sometimes" do... raise preflop and try and steal on the flop. Just dont limp preflop with it. Cool?
Posted Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:36 am GMT by odlozilik
| Quote: | | And odl, if you are going to play J7o like you said you "sometimes" do... raise preflop and try and steal on the flop. Just dont limp preflop with it. Cool? |
Well, you may be right, but I still think that in some cases almost any hand is "playable" (if blinds are small, from good position and if players are not too aggressive). Why not to call 10 cents at least to see the flop. By the way, sometimes it seems to me that I am loosing the most money, when I get some monster hands (high pocket pairs) and lose with them, while by playing not so good hands I somehow cant lose much, I can only surprise.
And about stealing the pot, I somehow still don't like to do it, it seems too risky to me, maybe only with some good cards when I raised pre-flop (like AJ etc).
Posted Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:41 pm GMT by odlozilik
Hard to believe, but almost the same hand happened to me again. Is it by accident? Hardly, played on the same site.
Stage #463793063: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2006-10-07 12:58:35 (ET)
Table: DILIGENCE DR. (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - CHIRSTINA ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 4 - ODLOZILIK ($1.78 in chips)
Seat 5 - TPICKARD ($12.70 in chips)
Seat 9 - BROWNXCORE ($7.43 in chips)
Seat 1 - DJPPAPP ($2.95 in chips)
ODLOZILIK - Posts small blind $0.05
TPICKARD - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to ODLOZILIK  
BROWNXCORE - Folds
DJPPAPP - Calls $0.10
CHIRSTINA - Calls $0.10
ODLOZILIK - Calls $0.05
TPICKARD - Checks
*** FLOP ***
ODLOZILIK - Checks
TPICKARD - Bets $0.30
DJPPAPP - Folds
CHIRSTINA - Calls $0.30
ODLOZILIK - Calls $0.30
*** TURN *** 
ODLOZILIK - Checks
TPICKARD - Checks
CHIRSTINA - Bets $0.80
ODLOZILIK - Calls $0.80
TPICKARD - Folds
*** RIVER *** 
ODLOZILIK - All-In $0.58
CHIRSTINA - Calls $0.58
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ODLOZILIK - Shows (Full house, sevens full of fours)
CHIRSTINA - Shows  (Full house, sevens full of queens)
CHIRSTINA Collects $3.86 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4.06) | Rake ($0.20)
Board
Seat 1: DJPPAPP Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: CHIRSTINA (dealer) won Total ($3.86) HI:($3.86) with Full house, sevens full of queens -
Seat 4: ODLOZILIK (small blind) HI:lost with Full house, sevens full of fours -
Seat 5: TPICKARD (big blind) Folded on the TURN
Seat 9: BROWNXCORE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
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