Did I really f**k this up, or was I nearly onto a winner? |
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Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:07 pm GMT by jimmer
Ok, as soon as I lost this hand, I knew I played it wrong. Initially I discarded it as a TOTALLY POOR, CRAP, WEAK BAD play, but after looking at it a bit more closely, I've realised I could have profited from it.
What do you guys think?
$0.25-$0.50 cash table, 10 seater.
I'm sat on the Big Blind and get dealt 7  4 
I get one early caller, one middle caller and the Small Blind. I check
Flop is 6  4  5
SB checks. I figure with four players, someone could floped a set, however I also decide I need to narrow the field, so I bet $1.
A. Thoughts please
Early position calls and so does the SB.
The turn is T SB and myself check, early position bets $1. SB calls, I see the pot odds as really good and also call
B. Thoughts please
The river is 3 I am really unsure on the way forward. The SB checks, so do I. Early position bets $3, the SB calls. I look at the pot odds again and call
C. Thoughts please
Looking back i think i should of raised maybe $10-$14
D. Thoughts please
In the end Early position shows a straight 7-high
Ths SB shows a Flush 7-high (7 6 5 4 3 ).
I appreciate there is alot of questions, but as i stated earlier, I don't think I was that far from winning
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Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:31 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
You're gonna have to fix SB's hand before anyone can answer these questions, because according to your original post, he has a straight flush. If that's the case, be thankful the SB is as awful as it appears, because he coulda squeezed you for a lot more money.
Be that as it may, I hate your flop bet. Betting into three opponents on a suited 3-straight board is generally asking for trouble. You have little chance of taking it down immediately, you're drawing to as little as 6 outs and could be facing redraws.
If you're serious about winning the hand, I think you need to bet the turn again.
I think your hand is too weak for an overcall on the river. That should be a fold.
Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:14 pm GMT by Ryan231
I'd of probably check/folded the flop and turn, maybe call a small bet on the flop if the player betting is agressive. Check the turn if I miss, bet if I make my straight, fairly straight forward I'd say..
I fold on the river as well, someone probably picked up the flush draw off the flop to be calling the 1$.
Edit:Also I think raising the river is a mistake, its fairly reasonable to assume at least 1 of these players has made their flush, the person from EP may have even limped in with something like A7s or K10s. It would fit the bill fairly well, they call the flop, make a bet on the turn nobody is folding to and then value bet the river once again. By tossing out a large raise the player with the flush will most likely call, they are only beat by a bigger flush and to be raising that much you'd most likely have to have the A high flush. So for that to happen you would have had to check the nuts on the river with only 1 person behind you (not very likely). Also if you held a big flush you would most likely be raising to something like 8 or 9, a fairly stiff raise but if your holding a smaller flush you'll be priced to look it up. The checking behind on the end then making a large reraise is very suspicious and I think good players will call you down.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:57 am GMT by MrDarling
Now I'm confused..
I used to be very flush scared, as soon as the board 2 suited and I had a hand I'll bet like mad trying to make those flush drawer go away. If a 3rd flush card came I will usually think I'm beaten. However you guys told me (as well as seeing the pro's play) that a 3 suited board doesn't necessary mean someone has a flush.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:00 am GMT by jimmer
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | You're gonna have to fix SB's hand before anyone can answer these questions, because according to your original post, he has a straight flush. |
opp's sorry! 7 5 4 3 2
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:18 am GMT by Ryan231
| MrDarling wrote: | Now I'm confused..
I used to be very flush scared, as soon as the board 2 suited and I had a hand I'll bet like mad trying to make those flush drawer go away. If a 3rd flush card came I will usually think I'm beaten. However you guys told me (as well as seeing the pro's play) that a 3 suited board doesn't necessary mean someone has a flush. |
I think it has a lot to do with the texture of the flop, what other hands can be reasonably calling me down here? The board is very low, straight draws are possible but the board is also 2-suited. Is the dude UTG holding a hand like KQs or A7s? When your playing a hand 3 way or more and the board has 3 of 1 suit you better realize the possibility that someone could be holding a flush, this is where its important to know your player and watch how they play on big draws.
More often than not the pros are good enough to isolate the pot in that they don't let a lot of pots go more than heads up or sometimes more than 3 way. This allows them to control draws and increase their chances of winning in the end even if those crazy gut shots and low flushes hit.
Watching out for flushes comes down to observation and reads IMO, if you've been paying attention to everyone else then it won't be hard to check/fold the end when the board suits if you think someone has filled a flush. On the other hand if you've read it right you can fire the last bullet or even check/call the end in order to pickoff the bluff that some players will make.
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