Why some people dont make money at poker |
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Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:33 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
You're given a gift of a hand, and the best you can come up with is check twice then bet the min on the river. Way to try and maximize your winnings......
PokerStars Game #6338644263: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/09/19 - 00:28:39 (ET)
Table 'Gotz' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: southSTL ($76.55 in chips)
Seat 2: J Boliek ($135.95 in chips)
Seat 3: cocofrite ($47.65 in chips)
Seat 4: jakefish407 ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 5: bobber12 ($80.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Zombie Al ($296.85 in chips)
Seat 7: ElCaminador ($163.25 in chips)
Seat 8: tripCCC ($121.55 in chips)
Seat 9: graceros ($86.45 in chips)
ElCaminador: posts small blind $0.50
tripCCC: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ElCaminador  
graceros: folds
southSTL: folds
J Boliek: folds
cocofrite: folds
jakefish407: folds
bobber12: calls $1
Zombie Al: calls $1
ElCaminador: calls $0.50
tripCCC: checks
*** FLOP ***   
ElCaminador: checks
tripCCC: checks
bobber12: checks
Zombie Al: checks
*** TURN *** 
ElCaminador: checks
tripCCC: checks
bobber12: checks
Zombie Al: checks
*** RIVER *** 
ElCaminador: checks
tripCCC: bets $1
ElCaminador said, "lol"
bobber12: calls $1
Zombie Al: folds
ElCaminador: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tripCCC: shows   (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
bobber12: mucks hand
ElCaminador said, "rofl"
tripCCC collected $5.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6 | Rake $0.25
Board
Seat 1: southSTL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: J Boliek folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cocofrite folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jakefish407 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bobber12 mucked  
Seat 6: Zombie Al (button) folded on the River
Seat 7: ElCaminador (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 8: tripCCC (big blind) showed and won ($5.75) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 9: graceros folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:44 pm GMT by swiftone
Meh, you dont get much action by flopping monster made hands anyways, chances are there wasnt much money to be had...
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:58 am GMT by craggoo
No, i'll tell you why people dont win. Because they go on 30+ minute runs of losing every hand they play at every one of their tables. I'm honestly starting to doubt if i can win in online poker. Everytime i get a few small wins in a row the next couple sessions i get bitch slapped with big losses. Example, this morning i had two small winning sessions ($3 and $6) followed by 2 big losing sessions ($5 and $7). Its just getting depressing when im playing every session from start to end from behind almost every time.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:15 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| swiftone wrote: | | Meh, you dont get much action by flopping monster made hands anyways, chances are there wasnt much money to be had... |
Disagree... it depends on how you play them, although in this particular case you've basically crippled the deck.
At the very least, this guy could have raised preflop and picked up THAT money. What a terrible play.
But Jefecaminador brings up a good point about why many players are chronic losers... it's a twofold problem.
1. They don't bet enough with their good hands and thus lose value because they want to get "paid".
2. They bluff too much (because they want to "get opponents off their hand") or call too often with their bad hands and thus lose value there as well.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:01 am GMT by Jefecaminador
Yeah, I know what you're saying about made hands not making much, but he could of raised a decent amount at any stage of the hand. Sure, he probablly won't get called, but you know what? You won't get paid off at all if you don't at least TRY and make a bet. If the only play you know how to make when you have the nuts is to check and hope someone bets into you, then you should rethink how you play poker.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:22 pm GMT by UrAteUp
This guy was a chump. Frankly, I raise that bad boy pre-flop to $4. Hoping at least one twit calls. Then when I see the flop then I continuation bet. Either continuation on the turn or push. Same with the river. Big thing is I hope to keep someone in this hand all the way to the end or at least get the most chips out of it that I can.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:03 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I love slowplayers:
- Dependable.
- Low variance.
- Lose little.
- Draw cheaply.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:30 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Well, the thing about slowplayers is that usually they have the wrong style to pull it off... ie they're usually nits. Slowplaying is a much more effective weapon in the hands of a loose player whose checks and check-raises are not immediately interpreted as strong. When you see a a very tight player check/call a flop and then check/raise minimum on the turn, you can usually be sure of 2 things:
1. He has a monster hand.
2. He has misplayed this hand horribly.
And yet so many tight players do this because they want "value." But that's silly, because most of the time they would make more money if they just bet their hand straight-forwardly. In fact, any time I see a nitty player check/call a flop, it usually sets off a slight warning in my head, or at least a caution alert; however, I wouldn't suspect as much from a looser player who frequently check/calls on early rounds and doesn't necessarily have to have anything.
I used to be a real fan of slowplaying, but now I almost never use it, particularly in the form of check-raising. Now I usually prefer to pull the stop-and-go when I've slowplayed something, because many players haven't quite figured out how to interpret this move yet.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:54 pm GMT by JackKingOff
Wat is this stop and go you speak of?
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:07 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| JackKingOff wrote: | | Wat is this stop and go you speak of? |
Basically, if I'm out of position I check and call on one street and then lead with a bet on the next street.
Posted Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:46 pm GMT by khaosanroad
One problem, and it was my biggest leak until recently, is over betting the flop/bet sizing.
They pair their A or K and bet so much that no one will call them except a maniac, and if that maniac hits they lose a bigger pot.
Now days I give opponents only slightly bad odds to call and they usually do. If they don't make their draw I get a little bit bigger pot and if they do hit, I am not losing much.
Posted Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:23 am GMT by mrcfkane
gr8est hand ever played............
i h8 to slowplay, too many thinks need to be goin on for it to be successful. not onl that, but slowplaying makes your bluffs less credible.
Posted Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:06 am GMT by Jefecaminador
Has anyone tried to use the go and stop approach successfully? When you lead the flop with a monster hand, then check/call the turn?
I guess it would only work against a really aggressive player, and where if they were on a draw and hit, your hand would still beat theres.
Posted Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:35 pm GMT by khaosanroad
I still slow play quads.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:02 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Here's a good example that left me thinking, "oooooo, you're so good. Way to get full value there."
PokerStars Game #6375432535: Tournament #32350246, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/09/22 - 03:57:24 (ET)
Table '32350246 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Turn_Prophet (2190 in chips)
Seat 2: MUCKICIDE (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: kimberly777 (1410 in chips)
Seat 5: Timeinabotl (4302 in chips)
Seat 6: oceantides (1365 in chips)
Seat 8: cgloor (1823 in chips)
Seat 9: Yantko (910 in chips)
Yantko: posts small blind 15
Turn_Prophet: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
MUCKICIDE: calls 30
kimberly777: calls 30
Timeinabotl: calls 30
oceantides: folds
cgloor: folds
Yantko: calls 15
Turn_Prophet: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Yantko: checks
Turn_Prophet: checks
MUCKICIDE: bets 30
kimberly777: folds
Timeinabotl: folds
Yantko: folds
Turn_Prophet: calls 30
*** TURN *** 
Turn_Prophet: checks
MUCKICIDE: bets 30
Turn_Prophet: calls 30
*** RIVER *** 
Turn_Prophet: checks
MUCKICIDE: bets 30
Turn_Prophet said, "im too curious"
Turn_Prophet: calls 30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MUCKICIDE: shows   (three of a kind, Deuces)
Turn_Prophet: mucks hand
MUCKICIDE collected 330 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 330 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Turn_Prophet (big blind) mucked
Seat 2: MUCKICIDE showed and won (330) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 4: kimberly777 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Timeinabotl folded on the Flop
Seat 6: oceantides folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: cgloor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Yantko (small blind) folded on the Flop
Posted Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:25 pm GMT by Poul_the poker player
Hi xDiamond_CutteRx, dear friend I don
Posted Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:28 pm GMT by Poul_the poker player
Hi xDiamond_CutteRx, dear friend I don
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