Posted Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:34 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
This is early in a MTT on Stars. I pick up AJ  in EP. My first instincts were to raise, but if I get reraised a bunch, then what? So I limp.
PokerStars Game #6359106289: Tournament #31934401, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/09/20 - 20:25:41 (ET)
Table '31934401 34' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: crankinfrenz (5335 in chips)
Seat 2: Daniel Adam (795 in chips)
Seat 3: DynastyDJ (1865 in chips)
Seat 4: Counselor (1670 in chips)
Seat 5: Jim Jimma (3340 in chips)
Seat 6: kmaihb (1290 in chips)
Seat 7: Diesel_IA (1590 in chips)
Seat 8: jckcmc (1240 in chips)
Seat 9: EuEY (1465 in chips)
Counselor: posts small blind 15
Jim Jimma: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Diesel_IA  
kmaihb: folds
Diesel_IA: calls 30
jckcmc: raises 60 to 90
EuEY: folds
crankinfrenz: folds
Daniel Adam: folds
DynastyDJ: folds
Counselor: calls 75
Jim Jimma: folds
Diesel_IA: calls 60
*** FLOP ***   
Counselor: checks
Diesel_IA: ????
That is a pretty disgusting flop, but there is also a very good chance I have the best hand. What to do?
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Posted Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:33 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
check/call the flop. If someone else calls along with you get ready to check/fold the turn. If you get to HU, and he checks the turn you can assume your best and bet the river. If he bets big on the turn tho you can prolly fold
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:43 am GMT by Poto
| Dat_Dude wrote: | My first instincts were to raise, but if I get reraised a bunch, then what?
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Fold? I don't mind the limp btw, but I don't think it's a good idea to limp just because you could get raised.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:30 am GMT by UrAteUp
Raise pre-flop...bet the flop. You have to know where you stand on this board.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:40 am GMT by Dat_Dude
| Poto wrote: |
Fold? I don't mind the limp btw, but I don't think it's a good idea to limp just because you could get raised. |
Well, that was a small part of the reasoning. This was a very aggressive table early and my philosophy was that I wanted to see a flop as cheaply as possible. If I raised preflop and got reraised, then essentially I just shot that out the window. However, if I limp and get raised, then I could still see a flop for cheap and hope to hit it.
It may not have been the right thing to do, but given the table at that point I liked going the safe way.
Here is the action:
*** FLOP ***
Counselor: checks
Diesel_IA: checks
jckcmc: bets 150
Counselor: calls 150
Diesel_IA: ??
Now, I am getting a pretty good price, but given the bet and the call in front of me, should I lay it down? The bet could be a Q that doesn't want to give free cards to the flush, and jck could have that flush draw.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:08 am GMT by UrAteUp
Now your in a tough spot and I think here your best to lay this hand down. Hard to say who has the best hand but in a tournament I think your best bet is to lay this hand down and wait for a better spot to gain some chips off of these two.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:27 pm GMT by Gunslinger
The flop bet you saw from the PF raiser could be a c-bet, and you have very little information about both players. So on the flop, I would be inclined to fire a 1/2 pot bet. Now if you get raised, you're probably outta there. If one or both stick around, you're pretty much in the same boat, but you have a little more info and you might get to a cheaper showdown.
As played, you're getting good odds to peel off a card. If the SB is on a draw and the PF raiser was c-betting, a turn brick might get checked around, and you can evaluate the river. Any big action and you're done with the hand.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:11 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| Gunslinger wrote: |
As played, you're getting good odds to peel off a card. If the SB is on a draw and the PF raiser was c-betting, a turn brick might get checked around, and you can evaluate the river. Any big action and you're done with the hand. |
That is what I was thinking. Unfortunately, the turn was no brick.
Diesel_IA: calls 150
*** TURN *** 
Counselor: bets 600
Diesel_IA: ??
That is a huge bet, so I don't know if I can put him on a flush. What I am thinking now is that he is using that as a scare card. I think right now this is a pretty easy laydown considering there is another yet to act.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:13 pm GMT by Skribbles
A little late... but I would have folded on the flop. Not too many hands you're ahead of. And if you're behind, you are not catching up.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:27 pm GMT by Gunslinger
Bluffing OOP into two people, one of whom has shown aggression, seems much less likely without any reads. And you're right, there's someone to act behind you, and you're in much worse shape than on the flop. Seems like a pretty easy laydown.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:47 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Dat_Dude wrote: | | Gunslinger wrote: |
As played, you're getting good odds to peel off a card. If the SB is on a draw and the PF raiser was c-betting, a turn brick might get checked around, and you can evaluate the river. Any big action and you're done with the hand. |
That is what I was thinking. Unfortunately, the turn was no brick.
Diesel_IA: calls 150
*** TURN ***
Counselor: bets 600
Diesel_IA: ??
That is a huge bet, so I don't know if I can put him on a flush. What I am thinking now is that he is using that as a scare card. I think right now this is a pretty easy laydown considering there is another yet to act. |
Lay it down after the flop. You really didn't need to see this card at all. I don't agree with Skribbles about folding this hand pre-flop. I think AJ does have value and should be raised pre-flop. But if your not willing to raise with it for fear of being raised, then sure lay it down pre-flop. I am sure you should have backed off of it after that flop though and not even bother seeing the turn. Please tell me you didn't stay for the river?... 
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:52 am GMT by Dat_Dude
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Please tell me you didn't stay for the river?... |
I raised All-In and got both of them to call. One had a flush and the other had QJ. 
jk. I folded on the turn and so did the initial raiser.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:52 am GMT by kingetje
i really would have liked to see a bet on the flop by you. check-calling gets you nowhere unless youre setting your oponent up. and now you have no idea where you are
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:23 pm GMT by Skribbles
| UrAteUp wrote: |
I don't agree with Skribbles about folding this hand pre-flop. |
| Skribbles wrote: | | A little late... but I would have folded on the flop |
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:47 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Skribbles wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: |
I don't agree with Skribbles about folding this hand pre-flop. |
| Skribbles wrote: | | A little late... but I would have folded on the flop |
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Rub it in...rub it in...yes I misread another post...  ... . Oh well chit happens and life goes on... 
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