Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:42 pm GMT by swiftone
PokerStars Game #6368214100: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/09/21 - 16:37:53 (ET)
Table 'Paloque' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: ChipperChamp ($19.45 in chips)
Seat 2: mr17 ($22.35 in chips)
Seat 3: tester45 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Pantozol1 ($22.20 in chips)
Seat 5: reini777 ($15.65 in chips)
Seat 6: smooothie ($17.70 in chips)
Seat 7: sessiotre ($29 in chips)
Seat 8: P0ndus ($13 in chips)
Seat 9: zestygreek ($25.05 in chips)
P0ndus: posts small blind $0.10
zestygreek: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zestygreek  
ChipperChamp: calls $0.25
mr17: calls $0.25
tester45: folds
Pantozol1: folds
reini777: folds
smooothie: folds
sessiotre: calls $0.25
P0ndus: raises $0.25 to $0.50
zestygreek: calls $0.25
ChipperChamp: calls $0.25
mr17: calls $0.25
sessiotre: calls $0.25
*** FLOP ***   
P0ndus: bets $0.50
zestygreek: calls $0.50
ChipperChamp: folds
mr17: calls $0.50
sessiotre: folds
*** TURN *** 
P0ndus: bets $1
zestygreek: calls $1
mr17: raises $1 to $2
P0ndus: calls $1
zestygreek: raises $3 to $5
mr17: calls $3
P0ndus: raises $7 to $12 and is all-in
zestygreek: raises $12.05 to $24.05 and is all-in
mr17: calls $16.35 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zestygreek: shows (a flush, Ace high)
mr17: mucks hand
zestygreek collected $17.75 from side pot
P0ndus: shows   (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
P0ndus collected $38.05 from main pot
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Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by Skribbles
This doesn't belong in the bad beats forum at all.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:57 pm GMT by Dave B
Dont you hate it when you suck out with the worst hand preflop and on the flop and still manage to lose?
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:02 pm GMT by swiftone
| Dave B wrote: | | Dont you hate it when you suck out with the worst hand preflop and on the flop and still manage to lose? |
I dont really see how that matters. It was the others in the hands' fault for not outpricing me on following the draw.
EDIT: and theres really no need to be sarcastic. we're all friends here.
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:32 pm GMT by MrDarling
why isn't it a bad beat? When all the money went it OP was well a head living villain needing 1 of his 4 outs to win...
btw, am curious to see what the player who mocked had - probably a flush 7 high
Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:01 pm GMT by Jauron
A beat is when someone gets outdrawn, a bad beat is when YOU get outdrawn.
The good news is cost you $13, walk it off man, walk it off.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:30 am GMT by UrAteUp
| swiftone wrote: | | Dave B wrote: | | Dont you hate it when you suck out with the worst hand preflop and on the flop and still manage to lose? |
I dont really see how that matters. It was the others in the hands' fault for not outpricing me on following the draw.
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Why should he out price you on your draw? How many times does a player make a draw? It doesn't happen as often as you think and if he has two pair, then why start betting you out of the pot?
Villian did make several bad plays in my opinion but so did hero. The biggest bad play by villian was not getting more of your chips into the pot pre-flop. In the end he still got all your chips. He just took a round about way of doing it.
True he could have been had by your draw but he most likely didn't put you on a draw and just figured you had a Ax hand and he would let you feed him your chips.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:56 am GMT by swiftone
| UrAteUp wrote: | | swiftone wrote: | | Dave B wrote: | | Dont you hate it when you suck out with the worst hand preflop and on the flop and still manage to lose? |
I dont really see how that matters. It was the others in the hands' fault for not outpricing me on following the draw.
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Why should he out price you on your draw? How many times does a player make a draw? It doesn't happen as often as you think and if he has two pair, then why start betting you out of the pot?
Villian did make several bad plays in my opinion but so did hero. The biggest bad play by villian was not getting more of your chips into the pot pre-flop. In the end he still got all your chips. He just took a round about way of doing it.
True he could have been had by your draw but he most likely didn't put you on a draw and just figured you had a Ax hand and he would let you feed him your chips. |
Wow am I really the only one who chases draws if the price is right? if he had AK or something the implied odds if I hit my club were huge. Do you all really only play flushes if you flop them?
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:37 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Let me change some of what I said. Yes you were right in playing for the flush. Anyone would be right to play a flush with this board and getting the money and odds to draw. Nothing wrong with that.
With your raise you would think villian would have put you on the flush and not raised or pushed. Truely a bad play by villian that did work out in his favor. My statement of why should villian price you out of the draw was based on villians play. He did not put you on the draw at all and was figuring you to be playing AX or Ax and knew he had two pair. He most likely figured his two pair were better then your hand. Yes again, he got darn lucky on that river.
Tough break but I would add villian to your buddy list and play him often. Luck does run out and ignorance will not always get paid.
Edit: Retraction on the hero playing bad comment. I got my screws loose and thought you min raised with A9s and not Mr. AJ. You played the hand as best you could in all fareness and just caught some bad luck on the river.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:41 pm GMT by tame_deuces
For 25NL you played this hand just fine preflop and on the flop IMHO. At 25NL you pretty much know a bunch of people are going to tag along his minraise and AXs is more than good enough for a multiway pot. On the flop you have a very good hand, only a dog to sets and AJ, but at low stakes - going hyperaggro with such a powerful draw is more often than not the wrong play, since you'll tend to get called when you do but get paid off when you hit.
The turn was just weird. Don't slowplay and raise more...the guys at 25NL pay you off more than often enough, no worry. 
River was cruel.
Mr. AJ butchered his hand on all streets.
Better luck next time.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:44 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
| UrAteUp wrote: |
Villian did make several bad plays in my opinion but so did hero. The biggest bad play by villian was not getting more of your chips into the pot pre-flop.
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You're kidding me right UAU?
AJ isnt that strong of a hand, you don't want a lot of chips going in preflop with them.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:47 pm GMT by cayouche
The guy was low stack, he has top two pairs, and is pot-commited. The guys thinks there's a good chance he still has the best hand, you can't blame him. It happens.
This belong in the "shit happens" forum.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:47 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Jefecaminador wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: |
Villian did make several bad plays in my opinion but so did hero. The biggest bad play by villian was not getting more of your chips into the pot pre-flop.
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You're kidding me right UAU?
AJ isnt that strong of a hand, you don't want a lot of chips going in preflop with them. |
You certainly don't want to minraise OOP with AJ.
Folding AJ > minraising OOP w/AJ.
And AJ is a good strong hand at 25NL where people both call preflop and go broke later with worse aces.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:00 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Yeah I said it and I stick behind it...raise AJ pre-flop even out of position. No I am not being results oriented. I am being serious. Yes someone could have AK or AQ behind you but if you can read your players well you can avoid costly mistakes of playing into these bigger hands.
Without the decent raise your inviting draws and other hands that could possible beat you into a pot that most likely should or could be yours. At these levels you find guys playing lots of wild stuff into a 2-3xBB raised pot.
Min raise < Decent raise.
The key is isolating and then deciding if your ahead or behind.
Again...villian just got lucky here and played this hand like a real looser. Sometimes ignorance does get paid off. Most times though it won't.
Posted Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:55 pm GMT by swiftone
| cayouche wrote: | The guy was low stack, he has top two pairs, and is pot-commited. The guys thinks there's a good chance he still has the best hand, you can't blame him. It happens.
This belong in the "shit happens" forum. |
I didnt post this as a 'bad beat' necessarily, I appropriately titled it heartbreaker since I was absolutely ecstatic when holding the nuts and people were playing back at me, and I saw the pot grow to $60, only to see the jack came off and the word boat instantly come to mind </3
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