Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:49 pm GMT by rlb2252
Do players ever fold to one bet more once they enter a pot?
Three or four players limp in. You raise, they all cold call the raise. No matter what?
It must damn near be a statistical guarantee. Especially as far as seeing the flop goes.
It’s like they simply shrug and say, “Why not?” Since they already have money invested in the pot to fold now is to see that investment go all for naught.
On other betting rounds, if the betting is 3 bet or capped, maybe someone will grudgingly drop out even after they’ve already bet. But never it seems preflop.
Is this fairly accurate as far as you’re concerned, consistent with what you’ve experienced as well?
Why do you think this is?
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Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:59 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
It's almost always incorrect to fold to one more bet once you've entered a pot preflop.
Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:06 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| rlb2252 wrote: | | Three or four players limp in. You raise, they all cold call the raise. |
Technically they're not cold calling.
Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:48 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
lets up it this way. Say you are UTG and you limp in. Everyone folds around to the button, who raises. Both small bling and big blind fold. Action is to you. Lets assume a worst case senario... he has pocket aces. Should you call? The answer? Its yes. Even though nobody else is in the pot, there are still 4.5 big blinds in the pot, and it only costs you one more to stay in. You are almost getting the right odds to call with any 2 cards.
And we know in the real world, just cause somebody raises preflop doesnt mean they have pocket aces. So basically once you limp in, you have to call a single raise.... If you were willing to pay 1 big blind to see the flop with your hand when there was only 1.5 big blinds in the pot, certainly you should be willing to pay another big blind now that the pot has 4.5 in it.
Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:54 pm GMT by rlb2252
| Quote: | rlb2252 wrote:
Three or four players limp in. You raise, they all cold call the raise.
Technically they're not cold calling.
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Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:07 pm GMT by rlb2252
| Quote: | lets up it this way. Say you are UTG and you limp in. Everyone folds around to the button, who raises. Both small bling and big blind fold. Action is to you. Lets assume a worst case senario... he has pocket aces. Should you call? The answer? Its yes. Even though nobody else is in the pot, there are still 4.5 big blinds in the pot, and it only costs you one more to stay in. You are almost getting the right odds to call with any 2 cards.
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I have a feeling that at the level I’m playing (1.00/2.00 fixed limit hold’em) and the players I’m playing with, calculations of odds maybe less of a factor. Calling may be the right thing to do odds-wise but many players aren’t sophisticated enough to go through those machinations.
Thus, the fact that players do the right thing by calling a raise may simply be coincidental.
I should know because many times I’m one of them, sometimes calling a raise because I’ve already come this far in the pot.
I bet a lot of players use that same flawed strategy. Or am I not giving the 1.00/2.00 limit hold ‘em players enough credit.
Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:11 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Um, I don't play any higher than 1/2... Well occasionally 2/4, but I'm "smart" enough to know about the odds.
Though maybe I'm just a shark at these levels.... LOL
Posted Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:47 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| Jefecaminador wrote: | | Say you are UTG and you limp in. Everyone folds around to the button, who raises. Both small bling and big blind fold. Action is to you. Lets assume a worst case senario... he has pocket aces. Should you call? The answer? Its yes. Even though nobody else is in the pot, there are still 4.5 big blinds in the pot, and it only costs you one more to stay in. You are almost getting the right odds to call with any 2 cards. |
Getting good pot odds is not sufficient grounds for calling, especially preflop.
Posted Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:36 am GMT by Jefecaminador
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Jefecaminador wrote: | | Say you are UTG and you limp in. Everyone folds around to the button, who raises. Both small bling and big blind fold. Action is to you. Lets assume a worst case senario... he has pocket aces. Should you call? The answer? Its yes. Even though nobody else is in the pot, there are still 4.5 big blinds in the pot, and it only costs you one more to stay in. You are almost getting the right odds to call with any 2 cards. |
Getting good pot odds is not sufficient grounds for calling, especially preflop. |
Obviously pot odds isnt the only thing to go by, but it is a very very important factor. I was just trying to give some tangible reason for calling after a limp. You cant disagree, however, that if you limp in, its almost always a dumb move to fold to a single raise. You shouldnt be in the pot to begin with if you're just going to fold.
Posted Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:45 am GMT by rlb2252
| Quote: | Um, I don't play any higher than 1/2... Well occasionally 2/4, but I'm "smart" enough to know about the odds.
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You're right, Jefecaminador.
I probably generalized way too much. I didn't mean to suggest that most small stakes players are incompetent donks.
But a lot of them are.
There are times when I'm one of them, though I try to keep those forays into incompetence to a minimum.
Posted Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:54 am GMT by kingetje
You'll always have pot odds in Fixed Limit.. thats the retahdid part
Posted Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:09 pm GMT by 1988 TR
In fixed limit, a raise could limit the field for the players behind you. Unless someone re-raises, do not plan on any of the initial callers folding. It is pretty much guaranteed that they will call. Same goes for Omaha 8.
If there are 4 callers and you are last to act, your raise will almost never limit the field - You are building the pot only, do not count on people folding.
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