Posted Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:41 pm GMT by craggoo
comments, opinions? I put him on a flush draw on the flop so i went with my read. It was correct which allowed me to c-bet all the way through. Position is CO.
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Posted Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:54 am GMT by tame_deuces
I'd fold this preflop and not waste much with Q8o, which is a bad hand in full ring. Bad high card potential, bad str8 potential and bad flush potential. Actually limpers before you set aside, Q8o is probably a marginal hand to open with 3 players behind you, except in stealing mode in tourneys.
Hide results in hands for analysis, btw.
Posted Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:27 pm GMT by craggoo
I had Q8 in the CO if i remember correctly so yes its a steal. When all one suit flopped and he was just calling down i put him on a draw which is exactly what he had. With the horrrible players in low limit on stars and party poker these plays work a lot of the time. Here is another gem.
PokerStars Game #6490082907: Tournament #32950671, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/10/01 - 18:20:41 (ET)
Table '32950671 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Twdgs (2495 in chips)
Seat 2: EvilNvrDies (405 in chips)
Seat 4: Craggoo (4015 in chips)
Seat 5: biggiffy (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: pocketboxcar (1530 in chips)
Seat 7: bigbill13135 (2475 in chips)
Seat 8: Davic1157 (1110 in chips)
biggiffy: posts small blind 15
pocketboxcar: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Craggoo  
bigbill13135: calls 30
Davic1157: calls 30
Twdgs: folds
EvilNvrDies: folds
Craggoo: raises 110 to 140
biggiffy: folds
pocketboxcar: folds
bigbill13135: calls 110
Davic1157: calls 110
*** FLOP ***   
bigbill13135: bets 30
Davic1157: calls 30
What to do now?
Posted Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Is this a trick question? Give up on your bluff and wait for the next hand.
Posted Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:13 pm GMT by fiezk
Don't try to bluff at a nothing pot with very marginal hands, especially in low limit poker. The biggest mistakes made at such tourney is that people tend to call too much - that is what you should try to capitalise on. Don't try to bluff the unbluffable.
Also, there is very little incentive to steal blinds that early on in a tourney. I would suggest playing very tight early on and establish a solid image that you can use later, when the blinds are bigger, to successfully steal blinds.
Posted Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:42 pm GMT by TheSalche
| craggoo wrote: |
PokerStars Game #6490082907: Tournament #32950671, $1.00+$0.20
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why bluff when playing ABC poker will allow to you win just as easily
Posted Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:22 am GMT by fiezk
| TheSalche wrote: | | craggoo wrote: |
PokerStars Game #6490082907: Tournament #32950671, $1.00+$0.20
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why bluff when playing ABC poker will allow to you win just as easily |
much more easily
Posted Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:28 pm GMT by craggoo
This is the rest of the hand as it played out. You sir are wrong. The lower levels are very much bluffable. I agree some ppl wont fold ever; however its easy to spot these people. As long as they are not in the hand, its easy to get people to laydown most of the time to aggression.
On a sidenote, this was 45 man sng btw.
PokerStars Game #6490082907: Tournament #32950671, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/10/01 - 18:20:41 (ET)
Table '32950671 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Twdgs (2495 in chips)
Seat 2: EvilNvrDies (405 in chips)
Seat 4: Craggoo (4015 in chips)
Seat 5: biggiffy (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: pocketboxcar (1530 in chips)
Seat 7: bigbill13135 (2475 in chips)
Seat 8: Davic1157 (1110 in chips)
biggiffy: posts small blind 15
pocketboxcar: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Craggoo
bigbill13135: calls 30
Davic1157: calls 30
Twdgs: folds
EvilNvrDies: folds
Craggoo: raises 110 to 140
biggiffy: folds
pocketboxcar: folds
bigbill13135: calls 110
Davic1157: calls 110
*** FLOP ***
bigbill13135: bets 30
Davic1157: calls 30
Craggoo: raises 120 to 150
bigbill13135: calls 120
Davic1157: folds
*** TURN *** 
bigbill13135: checks
Craggoo: bets 260
bigbill13135: folds
Craggoo collected 795 from pot
Craggoo: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 795 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Twdgs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: EvilNvrDies folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Craggoo (button) collected (795)
Seat 5: biggiffy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: pocketboxcar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: bigbill13135 folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Davic1157 folded on the Flop
Posted Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:18 pm GMT by Jauron
I see way to many calls early in tournies personally, especially in lower stakes to make bluffing very profitable. I usually play ABC until the middle or late stages.
Posted Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:36 pm GMT by fiezk
In the Q8 hand, sure - it's probably not huge -EV to fire three shells depending on how sure you are on your read. But you have to dodge two pretty big bullets: 1. He might hit his draw, 2. You might be wrong, you really don't have much information to go on at this point.
The 73 hand is just awful. There is no reason whatsoever that you can't wait until you at least have half a hand (SC, small pair, suited ace, etc.) and make the same play. Then you'll have two chances of winning the pot.
There's nothing wrong with being aggressive or going with your reads, but think a few streets ahead and pick your spots. GL
Posted Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:49 pm GMT by craggoo
Whenever someone bets out the minimum after the flop that usually indicates one of two things:
1) a monster that they want you to play back at them with.
2) Just high cards or bottom pair.
I figured him for just high cards which missed the flop. The big C-bet on the turn could have put me in trouble, but since i made a decent raise preflop I would expect he gives me credit for some sort of hand.
Posted Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:50 pm GMT by Jauron
| craggoo wrote: | Whenever someone bets out the minimum after the flop that usually indicates one of two things:
1) a monster that they want you to play back at them with.
2) Just high cards or bottom pair.
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This is true, I usually always pop Mr. Min bet even if I missed the flop. If they smooth call I usually slow down.
Posted Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:02 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| craggoo wrote: | Whenever someone bets out the minimum after the flop that usually indicates one of two things:
1) a monster that they want you to play back at them with.
2) Just high cards or bottom pair.
I figured him for just high cards which missed the flop. The big C-bet on the turn could have put me in trouble, but since i made a decent raise preflop I would expect he gives me credit for some sort of hand. |
many players on the low stakes are Loose Passive, and betting small on the flop is how you get their money. Give them about 3.5 to 1 pot odds on the flop. If they call , then make them truly pay to see a river card when they have more at stake.
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