Workaround for US player ban on poker sites |
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Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:50 pm GMT by pokermike
Hi All,
This is for people in US who wants to get around US player ban at online poker sites.
Most poker sites just check your address to see if you are located in States. Simply use a Canadian or UK address when creating a new account (they don't use the address). See details below. You can fund your new account with your Neteller the same way. There is no downside to this workaround since both sides (you and poker sites) are happy.
I've used this workaround to continue play on several poker sites. The only change is I'm not banned anymore because of my US address. The sites I'm on also don't care about my IP address. I use Neteller to transfer funds in/out so I've no need for the mail address.
Here are the steps:
1. Find a Canadian address to use. If you have a friend in Canada, ask him if you can borrow his address. If not, you can find a Canadian address from www . whitepages. ca . The actual address doesn't matter if you fund transfer in/out with Neteller/Firepay or other online funding.
The www . whitepages. ca needs a name/city. Type in a common last name such as Smith, Johnson, or Martin. Any first name will do like John/Jack. Then a common city/province like Toronto/Ontario. You'll get a lot of addresses. Any one of them will do. The zip code in Canada is 6 letters like "M8Y 1R4".
2. Go to your favorite poker/casino site to create a new account. Use your Canadian address from your friend or whitepages. It'll be a valid address. You can use your true name for account. No one really knows you don't live there (address could be a big apartment complex). As long as you can fund your poker/casino account, all is good and nobody is hurt. For phone number you can use any number.
3. Once you have new account with non-US address, you can use your old Neteller/FirePay account to fund your balance. I've tried both deposits and withdraws using my Neteller for the new account without problems.
That's all! Everything will work the same way, and you can play like rest of the world again.
Mike
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Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:30 pm GMT by ORGrinder
what about if you've used your neteller with the site before though. do they not care or track this since the act#'s for the deps/withds would be the same.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:38 pm GMT by pokermike
I've been using Interpoker and Sun. I still use my previous Neteller number for the new account. No problems. I also won a pot at a table and was able to transfer that money back out to my Neteller account.
Mike
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:41 pm GMT by ORGrinder
kewl.
i guess the only downside is that they could, if they found out and wanted to, freeze your account (and money) since you'd have vilated the terms of registration (or whatever you want to call it).
but i suppose if you don't retain boatloads of cash in your account (i.e. make frequent withdrawls) you could limit the risk.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:00 pm GMT by Fat Tony
If anyone is thinking of using a different address to get around this, you might want to find an address that you can actually recieve mail at. In case a site decides to do something crazy like mail you a check.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:03 pm GMT by pokermike
It's hard for them to go through 50,000+ accounts to verify all user addresses. That would cost them too much to do.
If they ever ask questions, they'll probably send me email first since everybody can make mistake entering/change addresses.
I also play multiple sites so I spread funds nicely between them.
Mike
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:06 pm GMT by khaosanroad
That could work. I never used netteller for Party, but I did for Stars. I could create a new party account with a canadian address and use my existing netteller account to fun it.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:20 pm GMT by snoogins47
Eww.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:30 pm GMT by Phil14312
But how do you get your money from Neteller?
Thats the problem.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:48 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I have them transfer it from my Neteller account to my bank account.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:30 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Well guys, it's not going to work unless you use a different name and different bank account.
I tried using Netteller instead of IGM pay but both are linked to the same bank account so they spotted it. They transfered the money to my old account and said not to try it again.
Edit: It was Party.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:48 pm GMT by pokermike
Maybe you need to first disable/change your old Party account's payment method. Then you can start new fresh account with new address.
I'm on Interpoker which doesn't seem to care if I use same Neteller account. The old US address account was closed yesterday.
Mike
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:54 pm GMT by KingOHearts
I finished up grinding out my latest bonus on PP at about 2:00 am this morning, then cashed out 100%. Of course, I was curious to see if it would let me deposit, since I have recieved no official word from PP from email or on their site. I went to the deposit page and it said it could reverse my withdrawl....didnt seem to want to block me  I didnt try it though.
Posted Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:30 pm GMT by khaosanroad
They asked which acount I wanted to keep. I could have probably told them to keep the Canadian address account, but didn't want to take it too far.
It could probably still be done, but I'm not going to worry about it for now. IF the Poker only sites are still available I will be content with that.
Posted Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:57 am GMT by MasterShake
I've got a buddy that lives in Montreal. I might have him sign up an account with NetTeller, mail me the checks and then let him keep like 10-15% or something.
Posted Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:42 pm GMT by jimmer
| Fat Tony wrote: | | If anyone is thinking of using a different address to get around this, you might want to find an address that you can actually recieve mail at. In case a site decides to do something crazy like mail you a check. |
Let me get this right....................... You ACTUALLY make money playing poker?????
mmm, i'll have to try that!
Posted Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:29 am GMT by pokermike
About the sites that care about IP address, you can change or hide your IP using software like ProxyWay ($39), just google "change IP address software".
Currently, at least Interpoker and Sunpoker don't track IP address.
Mike
Posted Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:00 pm GMT by pokermike
Anybody else tried a workaround besides me? Wondering how everybody is dealing with the ban. You don't have to say yes, just you of "know someone" who worked around it :)
Mike
Posted Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:46 pm GMT by mindgame
I keep playing at Party an I notice that most of my opponents are US players. It's like waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I don't see why you couldn't open a new Neteller account, use the new addy, and start all over again. I'm still waiting, though, for Party to tell me what to do when I move to Italy. Not that I'd move to Italy, but I don't see how they could tell I hadn't. My daughter there and I'll just tell them I'm sharing the apartment.
Posted Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:20 am GMT by pokermike
It's been two weeks since the US player ban. I'm playing fine using the workaround. Neteller has said last week, they'll continue do business with US customers (great!). So what I said earlier about electronic funding continues to work. That makes an address obsolete.
Mike
Posted Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:34 am GMT by Alaskadude
Maybe I'm missing something here but what's the big deal? Just run down to the local post office and get a money order and send it off. And, if you want to cash out, ask for a money order to be sent to you. I've done it.
Oh wait, maybe I'm the only one old enough here to remember that there is something called "the Postal System". It's an inefficient way of sending messages and communications but it's easy to use, just an envelope and a stamp and you're in business. 
Here's something from Poker Stars
Please note that players will be able to use all available deposit or
cashout options, and one of these is cashier´s cheque or money order.
PokerStars uses a number of proccesors and a variety of methods for
players to cash out their funds. You can be assured that your money
is always safe in your PokerStars account, and you will always have
access to your funds and the ablity to cash out.
Regards,
Carlos
PokerStars Support Team
Posted Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:05 am GMT by ORGrinder
mo's scare me. it's like putting cash in an envalope and then hoping it not only makes it to your destination of choice... but that once there it's used as you've instructed. it's simply too easy to steal since it can't really be tracked. the only thing i use mo's for these days is for transactions where the goods are exchanged right there... in person.
as for the work around, it might work, but in doing so you're still supporting a company that bailed on you. that defeats the point for me so i'll be sticking with companies that stuck by ALL of their players.
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:31 pm GMT by pokermike
It's almost a month now, I'm still playing fine with this simple workaround. I'm on Interpoker now. I noticed a lot of people logged on from "Toronto, Canada". Looks like other people are using this workaround :)
If you keep it simple to one account and maybe a proxy server for party, there's no way they know your address is in US.
Mike
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:44 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| pokermike wrote: | It's almost a month now, I'm still playing fine with this simple workaround. I'm on Interpoker now. I noticed a lot of people logged on from "Toronto, Canada". Looks like other people are using this workaround 
If you keep it simple to one account and maybe a proxy server for party, there's no way they know your address is in US.
Mike |
Canada was not affected by this legislation...they are not part of the US...are wasn't the last I heard... 
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:36 pm GMT by Gunslinger
What would we do without you around UAU?
Posted Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:28 am GMT by PanchoStern
I live 8 miles from the Mexican border. I guess I COULD get a postal suite over there & if necessary even open a bank account there & either withdraw the money there or wire it to Wells Fargo. My roommate is from Mexico so that's easy for me to do.
Posted Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:38 am GMT by raisebot
| ORGrinder wrote: | | you're still supporting a company that bailed on you. that defeats the point for me so i'll be sticking with companies that stuck by ALL of their players. |
These companies are not "sticking by all their players"...
They're just sucking every last rake dollar out of US players for as long as they can. Regardless of their "business as usual" statements, these companies are not trying to 'be nice' to us while their expert teams of lawyers 'interpret the laws'. They know it's illegal to accept wagers from players in the US, regardless of whether we go through NETeller or ePassporte or whoever. They're just milking it for all it's worth, until they can't milk it any more.
You can't fault companies like Party for abiding by current US laws. At least Party is "sticking by" its shareholders by refusing to break US laws, regardless of the loss of revenue they're experiencing.
Posted Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:14 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| raisebot wrote: | | ORGrinder wrote: | | you're still supporting a company that bailed on you. that defeats the point for me so i'll be sticking with companies that stuck by ALL of their players. |
These companies are not "sticking by all their players"...
They're just sucking every last rake dollar out of US players for as long as they can. Regardless of their "business as usual" statements, these companies are not trying to 'be nice' to us while their expert teams of lawyers 'interpret the laws'. They know it's illegal to accept wagers from players in the US, regardless of whether we go through NETeller or ePassporte or whoever. They're just milking it for all it's worth, until they can't milk it any more.
You can't fault companies like Party for abiding by current US laws. At least Party is "sticking by" its shareholders by refusing to break US laws, regardless of the loss of revenue they're experiencing. |
Son around here we don't take kindly to having our rights stepped on...so either your with us US online poker players or your against us. The choice is yours but standing on the wrong side of the fence can be bad...very bad...
The add on to the port security bill did NOT make it illegal to play poker online. It simply made it very freakin hard to get money into these sites.
Posted Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:38 pm GMT by raisebot
| UrAteUp wrote: | | raisebot wrote: | | ORGrinder wrote: | | you're still supporting a company that bailed on you. that defeats the point for me so i'll be sticking with companies that stuck by ALL of their players. |
These companies are not "sticking by all their players"...
They're just sucking every last rake dollar out of US players for as long as they can. Regardless of their "business as usual" statements, these companies are not trying to 'be nice' to us while their expert teams of lawyers 'interpret the laws'. They know it's illegal to accept wagers from players in the US, regardless of whether we go through NETeller or ePassporte or whoever. They're just milking it for all it's worth, until they can't milk it any more.
You can't fault companies like Party for abiding by current US laws. At least Party is "sticking by" its shareholders by refusing to break US laws, regardless of the loss of revenue they're experiencing. |
Son around here we don't take kindly to having our rights stepped on...so either your with us US online poker players or your against us. The choice is yours but standing on the wrong side of the fence can be bad...very bad...
The add on to the port security bill did NOT make it illegal to play poker online. It simply made it very freakin hard to get money into these sites. |
I never said it was illegal to play poker online, I just said it was illegal for the companies to accept wagers from players in the US. And right now, it's really not any harder than it was before to get money into these sites.
I agree our rights are being stepped on, but that's not Party's fault. We all know Party and all of the other companies can't honestly be happy the Port Security bill was passed. Party is just making the best of an unfortunate situation, while not putting themselves or their shareholders at any more risk than they have to.
And for the record, I'm with you US online poker players; I play online and usually win online, but you can't fault a company for acting within reason. Party knows they're beat, the US rivered them, and they're laying it down.
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