Posted Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:40 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
PokerStars Game #6531172351: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/10/05 - 18:34:30 (ET)
Table 'Okavango' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: cryx ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Beraniste ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 3: t burn em ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 4: JAKUik ($9.35 in chips)
Seat 5: skinsomnia ($18.55 in chips)
Seat 6: MoBs-l3ajib- ($11.35 in chips)
Seat 7: Ryan_j37 ($11.35 in chips)
Seat 8: zoomass9 ($7.65 in chips)
Seat 9: LannyJr ($4.60 in chips)
LannyJr: posts small blind $0.05
cryx: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ryan_j37  
Beraniste: folds
t burn em: folds
JAKUik: calls $0.10
skinsomnia: folds
MoBs-l3ajib-: calls $0.10
Ryan_j37: raises $0.40 to $0.50
zoomass9: folds
LannyJr: folds
cryx: folds
JAKUik: calls $0.40
MoBs-l3ajib-: calls $0.40
*** FLOP ***   
JAKUik: checks
MoBs-l3ajib-: bets $0.60
Ryan_j37: calls $0.60
JAKUik: raises $2.40 to $3
MoBs-l3ajib-: calls $2.40
Ryan_j37: calls $2.40
*** TURN *** 
JAKUik: checks
MoBs-l3ajib-: bets $7.85 and is all-in
Ryan_j37:
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Posted Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:52 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I think I raise on the flop after the initial bet, and certainly after the big reraise, I just go all-in right there. Open-end straight draw, nut flush draw, and an Ace? I'm more than happy just to put everything in. If I get beat, I get beat, but there's no way I'm letting myself get bet off that hand on the turn (which is what happened) by just calling on the flop with such a monster draw.
The way it played out though, calling here (on the turn) is marginal at best, AND you might be drawing dead. Next time, just push it on the flop.
Posted Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:17 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
Ok fair enough. Im finding it hard to be able to push with "draws". I kno it sounds illogical but i probably didnt realise how strong my hand was on that flop
Posted Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:04 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I almost have to say lay it down after the turn. Your beat. Either someone has AK, a set or made the straight. You were right to play it but I feel you would be wrong to make the all in call by villan.
Posted Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:03 am GMT by shorn7
I am with Diamond here. Push the flop after he raises again. You never want to get 1/4 or so of your chips in on the flop with a big draw only to have your opponent push you off when you don't hit on the turn. You have a ton of outs even if you are behind (as many as 18 potentially: 9 flush, 6 other str8, and 3 aces), so I have no problem with getting my money in here. Even if he has a set, you still have 14 outs on the twice which is about even money to win (the Tc makes the full for him), so put it all in and see what happens.
The best thing about commiting with a draw here is that you might get your opponenet to fold the best hand right now and if he doesn't you have a crapload of outs to win. This is what makes pushing wih these big draws a very +EV play.
Posted Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:54 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
Yea i folded on the turn. JAKUik held 88 for the 4oak and MoBs-l3ajib- held something like Tc3c  . So if im being results orientated my play was fine as i was only 38% on the flop.
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