first FL game - did I play these fishlike? |
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Posted Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:34 pm GMT by MrDarling
Hi , decided to sit in a FL game, seeing I lost some of my aggression.
sat in a $0.25/$0.50 with the min ($2.50) pretty quick doubled up then this happen :
Full Tilt Poker Game #1090583195: Table Reno - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 15:43:47 ET - 2006/10/11
Seat 1: autonoz ($7.60)
Seat 3: LawDog02 ($48.50)
Seat 4: beegraises ($4.80)
Seat 5: BITEMYPEACH ($9.60)
Seat 6: bigblues4u2 ($10.40)
Seat 7: MrDarling ($3.65)
Seat 8: pinkheart21 ($12.50)
Seat 9: Mr_Sinister ($25.75)
LawDog02 posts the small blind of $0.10
ALFRD E NEWMAN sits down
beegraises posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
ALFRD E NEWMAN adds $73.90
BITEMYPEACH is sitting out
BITEMYPEACH folds
bigblues4u2 folds
MrDarling has 15 seconds left to act
MrDarling calls $0.25
pinkheart21 folds
Mr_Sinister folds
autonoz folds
LawDog02 raises to $0.50
MrDarling has 15 seconds left to act
MrDarling calls $0.25
*** FLOP ***   
ALFRD E NEWMAN stands up
LawDog02 bets $0.25
beegraises folds
MrDarling calls $0.25
*** TURN *** 
LawDog02 bets $0.50
MrDarling raises to $1
LawDog02 calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** 
LawDog02 checks
MrDarling bets $0.50
LawDog02 raises to $1
MrDarling has 15 seconds left to act
MrDarling calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LawDog02 shows   (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
MrDarling mucks
LawDog02 wins the pot ($5.70) with a full house, Kings full of Tens
Sure I slow played on the flop, but I don't see any chance someone laying down top set in FL..notice how he didn't cap on the turn , and how I didn't cap on the river once the pair board - so I'm putting this down to bad luck, right?
next big lose :
Full Tilt Poker Game #1090606740: Table Reno - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 15:52:16 ET - 2006/10/11
Seat 4: md1542 ($4.25)
Seat 5: BITEMYPEACH ($9.60), is sitting out
Seat 6: jerdog76 ($5)
Seat 7: MrDarling ($2.45)
md1542 posts the small blind of $0.10
jerdog76 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling 
MrDarling calls $0.25
md1542 calls $0.15
jerdog76 checks
*** FLOP ***  
md1542 checks
jerdog76 checks
MrDarling checks
*** TURN ***
md1542 checks
jerdog76 bets $0.50
MrDarling raises to $1
md1542 folds
jerdog76 calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** 
jerdog76 bets $0.50
MrDarling calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jerdog76 shows  (a flush, Ace high)
MrDarling mucks
jerdog76 wins the pot ($3.60) with a flush, Ace high
Again, decided to slow play top two pair on a draw less board.
Am guessing this is real bad move in FL - he had odds to call on the river and did catch the runner runner for the flush , so I fished this one, didn't I?
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Posted Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:39 pm GMT by arras
Hand 1: bet the flop, yeah it would have cost you one more bet now, but I think it will cost you a lot more in the long run by not betting it.
Hand 2: Awful, awful not betting this flop. You can't be scared to put money in the pot with what is likely the best hand. If the table weren't so short handed I would actually hate the call preflop too.
Posted Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:40 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
slow playing doesnt make nearly as much sense in FL as it does in NL. You only get to make 2 1/2 big bets in FL, assuming no raising, and giving up that 1/2 a raise to disguise the strength of your hand usually isnt worth it. Especially 3 handed, when betting out doesn't have to indicate strength at all.
Posted Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:29 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Hand 1: Fold preflop. Otherwise, bet the flop.
Hand 2: Raise preflop. Betbetbet the flop.
Posted Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:45 am GMT by TheSalche
its best to play your hands in low limit FL straightforward
that being said, theres not much you could've done to get away from either of them
Posted Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:13 am GMT by MrDarling
In my meek defense :
The first hand , I was only slightly worried about a split pot, especially with the turn. My slow playing the flop allowed any low A or even a J or a K to think they might have the best hand and to stick around for SD. A good player might have throw a mid pair away if I bet out on this flop. So I think slowplaying this flop allow me in the long run to get a little more money out of villain.
In this case, in FL doesn't matter what I do villain stay to the end. Doesn't matter what he does, I wouldn't have lay the hand down. So not to be result oriented - if I'd bet the flop, we would have capped it at least all the way to the turn , which would have cost more to me.
Second hand, here, if I bet the flop there is a good chance villain would have put down the hand. On NL - I would have pushed the turn and villain would be a fool to call - but here, he made the right move and made a hand. So i guess I should have bet.
Though again, considering his chances of actually getting a runner runner , isn't it a +EV to keep him in the hand?
Danny
Posted Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:57 am GMT by Poto
Hand #1. Raise or fold preflop, fold is most likely your best option. As played, check-raise the flop and lead the turn.
Posted Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:18 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| MrDarling wrote: | | Second hand, here, if I bet the flop there is a good chance villain would have put down the hand. |
AQ on that board, 3-handed is pretty strong. I think there's less of a chance of his folding to a flop bet than you think.
| MrDarling wrote: | | Though again, considering his chances of actually getting a runner runner , isn't it a +EV to keep him in the hand? |
Not if you don't bet, it's not.
Posted Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:04 am GMT by MrDarling
guess I'll stick with NL - not that I'm doing much much better there 
Posted Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:19 pm GMT by snoogins47
I'll just go through street by street I guess
1st hand
Preflop: Yuck. Fold here. I'd give you one of those "ehhhh" looks if you raised, but limping is no goot.
Postflop is pretty much fine. Raising the flop is a fine alternative. Might be superior here, since a PFR usually either hit that flop hard-ish, or whiffed entirely.
2nd hand
Preflop: ... can I say "yuck" again? This has to be a raise preflop.
Flop: Go ahead and fire at this. I don't hate checking behind nearly as much as everybody else does, but I think a bet is pretty clear most of the time.
A more interesting question is the river, as I think you could make a case for raising here. Hard to tell, given I don't really know what we usually see against river donkbets in spots like this. Probably just a call here though, given that you showed a good amount of strength with your line, and there's a pretty good number of hands that picked up draws on the turn that just pulled ahead.
Mostly, yuck @ preflop.
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