Posted Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:50 pm GMT by chahn1025
I decided that it is very helpful to take notes on the other players at your table. I say that like I've been doing it for years, but really, I just started. Well, trying to. What are some things to note for the players? I dont really know what type of things to jot down..Any info would be helpful..thanks!!
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Posted Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:05 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
How often they're involved in pots, what they raise with in EP, MP and LP, what they will re-raise with, how much of a bet it takes for them to fold to a re-raise, how often they continuation bet, slowplay tendincies, how often they limp and from where, do they like to get involved in multiway pots, etc, etc, etc.
There is tons of information you can aquire from your opponents. It's extremely hard to obtain every single one of those statistics, but those are some ideas - i hope they help.
Posted Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:20 am GMT by Phil14312
Try and make a system that classifies players according to how you view them. Because realistically, you probably will only see 95% of the players you take notes on more than once. Its got to be quick easy painless and convey a decent amount of information quickly.
Sometimes I usually just label people as fish and TAG, so when I sit down at a table I can instantly recognize someone whom I've seen play bad or good before.
Posted Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:38 am GMT by Ryan_j37
i usually just label the fish. Like "really shit player. Give no respect" or something like that. And i label someone when they make a big play or something and if there solid.
Posted Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:57 am GMT by lwestatbus
I use notes extensively and regularly use them when I encounter the players again. I even use them to choose tables since they appear with the player list. Good notes are a cross between quick/cryptic and informative. Here's my system:
KK, AQo, JTs: Pocket cards the player raised with preflop. Pocket kings, Ace-Queen offsuit, Jack-Ten suited. May add "b/s" to indicate blind stealing position.
RR xx: Reraised preflop with this hand.
R/C xx: Raised and then capped with this hand. (obviously limit)
AKo--BTS WNI: Ace-King offsuit, bet to showdown with no improvement.
p J5s E/M/L/B: Played Jack-Five suited Early/Middle/Late/Button. I don't take notes of cards played in the blinds unless there was a considerable raise to them and the cards were unreasonable.
CC J5s: Cold Called a raise with Jack-Five suited.
DNR xx: Did not raise this hand preflop.
DNRR xx: Did not reraise this hand preflop.
BLUFFED (maybe with details): Player bluffed.
HTG (maybe with details): Player had the goods when they came out betting or raising post flop.
CD (details): Called down an aggressive bettor with this hand. Details might be, "2d pair L(ow)k(icker)", "TP Lk" (top pair lousy kicker), similar variations.
In addition, my site offers five colors that can be applied to a player. I only use three and it requires a lot of evidence before I'll use these (in addition to the notes).
Green: Very solid player. Devalue your hand if he is in the pot.
Yellow: Consistently loose and/or aggressive with unreasonable cards. Usually this player will be raising 3-4 times per round (or more). A number of actions can qualify for this but they must be repeated and reliable.
Red: An absolute maniac. Raises every hand or something like that.
Posted Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:29 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I tried taking notes a long time ago, and stopped when I realized I wasn't ever seeing these people a second time. The ones I do see more than once are pretty easy to remember, so I quit bothering.
Posted Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:49 pm GMT by lwestatbus
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | I tried taking notes a long time ago, and stopped when I realized I wasn't ever seeing these people a second time. The ones I do see more than once are pretty easy to remember, so I quit bothering. |
I'm sure that this is true for many but I regularly find that I have notes on 3-5 of the players at any table I join. Occassionally none, one, or two. Maybe my site has fewer players. It may be moot now because I understand that they will soon have a LOT fewer players.
Posted Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:11 pm GMT by supafrey
Most important stuff for my style of play:
Does this person call me down for value bets?
Does this person call me down for all in / pot size or greater bets?
Does this person play "tricky" - check raises, limps with high pairs, etc.
That's pretty much all that I care about.
Posted Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:33 am GMT by Jauron
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | I tried taking notes a long time ago, and stopped when I realized I wasn't ever seeing these people a second time. The ones I do see more than once are pretty easy to remember, so I quit bothering. |
Feel the same way, plus I was afraid that one play that got me to write a note would influence my decision too dramtically the next time I face them.
I make notes for players who appear to do something so crazy and out of line in a situation that doesn't merit it, it may be useful later. Outside of that I just try to focus on the table each time and use the notes in my head.
Posted Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:57 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| supa wrote: | Most important stuff for my style of play:
Does this person call me down for value bets?
Does this person call me down for all in / pot size or greater bets?
Does this person play "tricky" - check raises, limps with high pairs, etc.
That's pretty much all that I care about. |
That's the kind of notes I take in NL as well, although I agree that I rarely see any of those players again (but when I do, I'm glad I have the notes).
I have been helped a lot with notes, however, in the Stud games where there are many regular players and often a "core" group of people you'll often see at your table. In those instances, I keep very detailed notes.
Posted Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:40 pm GMT by Moon_Child
taking notes is semi important, but most of the time, i never run into those players more than twice. i do take notes just incase tho. eventually those notes can help you make tough decisions of the style of the villian... like would he have made this play being a tight player? etc...
Posted Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:43 pm GMT by supafrey
a word of advice: don't complicate things. Realize what your style of play is and how you make the most money, and make a note ONLY if that person's play has a particular weakness/strength against your style.
Personally, I like raising alot. Like, alot. That's why the ONLY thing I care about is whether someone is going to be calling me alot, checkraising alot, or folding far too easily. These are the things that can make me a bunch of money. Starting requirements preflop, tightness vs looseness, whether they always complete their blinds.. bla bla bla.. irrelevant to me.
Simplify.
Posted Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:11 am GMT by jeffonline
I am big note take, most time I just jot down the date eg 191006 for the 19 October 2006, If I was in the US it would be 101906, I also put an r or t after the date so I know if it was a tournament or ring game. I copy and past this on every player, even if I have played with them before, this advises me that I have played them previously and If I have no other notes I know I have not categorised or had no significant tells.
When I get a tell I note it, It could be “slow plays big pairs in EP” “owes me big time” “Tight & aggressive” “all-in with 77 LP” etc. I come across players I have previously played with many times, If I have noted tells on them previously its like looking at their cards. Just as a side issue, people who complain about collusion can see if the same players play together on a regular basis. Good luck with your notes.
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