Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:58 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Can you turn a profit simply by playing ultra tight at these blind limits?
I've never played at this level myself but there's a bit of debate going on about how players play at this level.
So what does everyone think?
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Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:22 pm GMT by supafrey
no. no you can't.
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:10 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
nah you cant, i tried and got smoked
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:17 pm GMT by TheSalche
the good players will see right through you and the bad ones aren't as stupid as the lower limit guys
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:21 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Ok, got it so far.
As a side question. If you have AK off, should you raise it preflop at these limits or just call in?
In my mind a stupid question but there is a disagreement here.....
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:44 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| zeroswarm wrote: | Ok, got it so far.
As a side question. If you have AK off, should you raise it preflop at these limits or just call in?
In my mind a stupid question but there is a disagreement here..... |
I would raise & consider re-raising a bad player. Note, I only play at 6 person tables.
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:43 pm GMT by supafrey
that question is impossible to answer.
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:12 pm GMT by snoogins47
It uh, depends, since what the hell does "simply playing ultra tight" mean? A very good player could probably beat the game for a pretty good clip without playing very many hands. I'm not one of those extensive data miner types, and I admittedly haven't played quite that high, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if there are winners with average VPIPs in the very low teens, as well as winners with average VPIPs over 30% in your run of the mill 5/10 NL game online. As with any level, it's much more about, ya know, actually being good at playing poker than it is anything else.
| Quote: | As a side question. If you have AK off, should you raise it preflop at these limits or just call in?
In my mind a stupid question but there is a disagreement here..... |
90% of the people who think this question even remotely resembles a "reasonable, answerable question" have no chance of being a winner at the $5/$10 NL level and should probably just not even bother talking about it. (Note: I almost finished this paragraph with "You have to raise, you don't want some trash hand to flop two pair on you" but I feared that my joke would be misinterpreted as real advice. So I'm putting it like this)
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:27 pm GMT by supafrey
Just so that there's still an answer after snoo gets banned...
This question is like the poker equivalent of asking... To beat Bobby Fisher, should I use my king-side knight?
Posted Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:28 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
Ok here is my view on it, I sat down at the 3/6 600 dollar buy in and that was very high for me but this what happened. Only 6 handed and I palyed tight which in turn gave me a image on this table. I pretty much stuck to my regular game and not let the money issue mess with my mind on making the right calls. Example after watching the table for 30 minutes and playing not aot of hands.
490$ Hero Q  Q  bumps up to 24 dollars
370$ Villian - calls
flop A  J  10
Now what the hell do I do with that damn ace out there and possible straight
Hero bets 85 dollars
Villian reraises to 150 dollars
Alright now any given day I would easly hit the fold button but before I did that I thought about it, what could he have to call the raise with preflop. Giving the short handed and villian has been a very lose player. Has dumped probably 1k in draws that have missed. So lets think about this, ace / king, nah would of been reraise preflop. Knowing villain probably is on draw and trying to buy pot right now so I call.
Turn is 9
Now im opened ended and I check and Villian goes all in for 150 more dollars. Ok knowing villian and if he is even ahead which he probably isnt even close I call. Villain shows K 10 and I win
Posted Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:53 am GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | Can you turn a profit simply by playing ultra tight at these blind limits?
I've never played at this level myself but there's a bit of debate going on about how players play at this level.
So what does everyone think?
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You might be able to sqeak out a small profit playing like this, but is all depends on your table selection. There are games in which you can play this way and do OK, but there are others that will slaughter you. The key IMO to success at the higher NL games is to target specific players and stay away from others. That is why hand reading and copious notes/history on players is so important at the higher NL games. At 2/4 and below you can pretty much nut peddle and win most sessions.
| Quote: | As a side question. If you have AK off, should you raise it preflop at these limits or just call in?
In my mind a stupid question but there is a disagreement here..... |
As others have stated, there is no answer to this. Things to consider (in no particular order) when deciding whether to raise, call (or fold) are:
1. Your position
2. Your relative position to a raiser if any
3. How many players yet to act
4. How loose/aggressive are the remaining players
5. Their stack sizes
6. The likelihood of getting heads up or three way with a raise (desirable)
7. How likely players are to call a continuation bet by you on a ragged flop
8. How you plan to proceed with the hand after the flop in numerous scenarios
9. How big your stack is relative to the pot and the current bet
10. Are there any super-aggressive players behind you
11. Your position
12. And, oh yeah, your position
AKo is a tough hand to play in NL. Rarely do you want to get too invested/involved with this hand early (cash game mind you...tourny is different). In the same session, I have opted to limp, raise, re-raise and fold to a raise pre-flop with this hand depending on the circumstances.
Again, it all comes down to playing good poker. And you need to factor in all these things when making your decision to do that.
Hope this helps.
Shorn
Posted Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:47 am GMT by tame_deuces
People sharpen up, pay more attention and they won't let you get away with as much when the stakes get higher...this an almost universal principle in poker.
Not to mention that the 'flow and ebb' of the games are wildly different at different stakes, so what is tight play at one level may simple be horrible at another level. Iow. a tight style that wins you money at low stakes may be some weak/tight nittish horrible thing at a higher stake.
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