Getting paid with your monsters |
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Posted Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:10 pm GMT by BBQSquirrel
One problem that most people have to deal with is to extract as much money as you can with your premium hands e.g. sets and some obscure 2-pairs.
Recently I have tried this incredibly simple play a few times: a massive overbet all-in on flop, especially when you are against a preflop raiser and are out of position. Most of the time these people hold an overpair or TPGK and will call you.
I believe that making our simple move on the flop are as follows:
1) Opponents have very little information on your hand.
2) You don't need to see another card, and opponent doesn't think he'll want to see another card either. Check-raises will let any moderately good opponent fold or min. 3-bet and then fold to your push. Check-call and your opponent will shut down if a 3-flush or 3-straight comes on the turn.
Here are some examples.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?587053
Flopped a set with 44. Opponent thought for a short while and then called. He has <1 out on the flop.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?574583
Another small set. I didn't like my extra move here. Fortunately my opponent instant-called. Again, my opponent is drawing dead already on the turn.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?573923
A counter-example. Judging from subsequent plays, SB would probably have called any on the flop, and had I made my move on the flop I wouldn't have to worry about with potential straights on this board.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?564667
This is top 2 pair against an overpair. I made my move and successfully lured my opponent into calling. Unfortunately he runner-runnered a straight. I wasn't an overwhelming favourite anyways, and I wasn't thrilled about the result, but I was very happy with my play.
Any thoughts?
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Posted Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:38 pm GMT by Skribbles
Won't work at higher levels.
Any competent player should be able to lay down TPTK. You got paid buy some donks.
Posted Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:45 pm GMT by tame_deuces
It can work at higher levels also, if you do the same with draws.
But then it becomes a high variance style.
Posted Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:45 am GMT by supafrey
Hrms...
and what if they don't flop TPTK? 
Posted Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:28 pm GMT by BBQSquirrel
| supa wrote: | Hrms...
and what if they don't flop TPTK? |
Then you don't win anything anyways.
Unless we slowplay the flop and let them hit something on the turn
But I'm not a big fan of slow-playing coz if I later found out my slow-playing cost me the pot I'll be very pissed.
Posted Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:41 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| BBQSquirrel wrote: | Then you don't win anything anyways.
Unless we slowplay the flop and let them hit something on the turn
But I'm not a big fan of slow-playing coz if I later found out my slow-playing cost me the pot I'll be very pissed. |
There are other numbers between 0 and infinity...
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:42 pm GMT by TheSalche
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | BBQSquirrel wrote: | Then you don't win anything anyways.
Unless we slowplay the flop and let them hit something on the turn
But I'm not a big fan of slow-playing coz if I later found out my slow-playing cost me the pot I'll be very pissed. |
There are other numbers between 0 and infinity... |
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by Phil14312
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | BBQSquirrel wrote: | Then you don't win anything anyways.
Unless we slowplay the flop and let them hit something on the turn
But I'm not a big fan of slow-playing coz if I later found out my slow-playing cost me the pot I'll be very pissed. |
There are other numbers between 0 and infinity... |
Yeah all the crappy ones.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:54 pm GMT by ScanX
As others have said already (u gotta check this forum every 2 mins to be the first reply  ) : it depends on the stakes
| Quote: | Then you don't win anything anyways.
Unless we slowplay the flop and let them hit something on the turn |
AK/AQ might call you thinking that they have the best hand if they pair on turn.
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