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Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:38 pm GMT by Dave B
Right again, you ABSOLUTELY need to check raise here. If the TAG BB hasnt bet out or raised yet, he has nothing worth calling 2 bets cold with. If the button had an A or K, then he surely would have raised preflop. SO he is at best looking at a low PP or some icky draw/position play hoping to take the pot here w/ the larger turn bet.
So, I check raise and the BB chucks his cards in frustration (I dont get that), the button goes into the tank and finally makes a crying call after 45-60 seconds.
River 9, what to do here?
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Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by Dave B
Moderately loose 8/16 game, very loose by online standards but just semi crazy from the typical game.
I have 23 off suite in the small blind. It is folded around and the button limps. What do you do here? Big blind is younger TAG player, button is looser Asian dude, but not crazy loose like some others. He just plays a lot of hands.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by shorn7
Um, fold. Not worried about TAG, but loose guy limps on button? I smell something stinky... 
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by aaronw
Personally, I would just complete the blind and hope the BB checks. I would take a flop and hope to see something like 2-2-5.
Disclaimer- I RARELY ever play limit. haha!
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by Dave B
The answer is: smooth call. no need to show your strength at this point.
Flop rainbow AK7, checked to button who bets. Now what?
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Dave B wrote: | | The answer is: smooth call. no need to show your strength at this point. |
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by aaronw
| Dave B wrote: | The answer is: smooth call. no need to show your strength at this point.
Flop rainbow AK7, checked to button who bets. Now what? |
Fold?
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Now where's the fun in that?
I prefer to float this flop, and wait for the turn to c/r. I only show strength now if the BB raises behind.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by Dave B
Exactly Sean, smooth call this flop. BB calls.
Turn 5, checked to button, he bets. Now what?
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by Geno
Call and spike the 4 for the fishy suckout as usual? 
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I say we get in some big bets while we can.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by groton
Raise
We got a Gut Shot
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| tame_deuces wrote: | | I say we get in some big bets while we can. |
| groton wrote: | Raise
We got a Gut Shot |
Agreed. Plus, we need to protect our hand from the BB who is probably drawing with his 86.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by TheSalche
man i don't get limit at all
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:30 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Dave B wrote: | | River 9, what to do here? |
Bet bet bet. Can't win without a bet.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:53 pm GMT by Dave B
YES YES YES, you own this guy, you have him on the ropes, YOU BET!
And then, holding the nut low, staring straight at the pot like you have a monster played to perfection for max value with proper style and elegance and he.......??????????
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:45 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
This is where our experience probably varies. I always expect villian to fold. More often than not, villain calls or raises.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:49 pm GMT by Dave B
He called instantly w/ K2.
I played the hand perfectly, 10 for style points, -EV.
Now, what is the moral of the story?
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:57 pm GMT by ScanX
| Dave B wrote: | He called instantly w/ K2.
I played the hand perfectly, 10 for style points, -EV.
:cry:
Now, what is the moral of the story? |
play NL
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:09 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
| Dave B wrote: |
Now, what is the moral of the story? |
Don't drink and play poker
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:23 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Dave B wrote: | | Now, what is the moral of the story? |
Don't bluff a calling station.
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:52 pm GMT by Jauron
| Dave B wrote: |
Now, what is the moral of the story? |
There is no reason to get tricky or represent hands to a player who can't see anything beyond his own two cards would be my guess.
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:19 am GMT by groton
dont bluff a calling station since that was such a nasty hand to lose with 
but that is my experince also
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:08 am GMT by tame_deuces
Sometimes even the backdoor gutshot will lose.
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:15 am GMT by TheSalche
Seriously ... did I miss something?
WE HAD DUECE THREE!!!!
I'm sorry ... I'll just shut up now.
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:22 am GMT by tame_deuces
| TheSalche wrote: | Seriously ... did I miss something?
WE HAD DUECE THREE!!!!
I'm sorry ... I'll just shut up now. |
sarcasm 1 - intoxication 0
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:32 am GMT by Dave B
No, the moral is that you need to make these plays showing ABSOLUTE strength looking for max payout to get paid off several more times.
This is pretty typical of how you would slow play a big hand (smooth call the flop, raise the turn, bet the river). Now, some people just muck their 23 when called, I proudly show it and laugh it off.
But when you generally play tight, I want them to really SEE that I do mix up my game.
In the next 12 hands I flopped 2 sets and an open end straight flush draw and was paid off handsomely by numerous players in each pot.
Throw away $64 and wait for hundreds to come back!
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:06 pm GMT by Geno
| Dave B wrote: | | Throw away $64 and wait for hundreds to come back! |
This is sound advice kids, particularly in FL games.
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:24 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Geno wrote: | | Dave B wrote: | | Throw away $64 and wait for hundreds to come back! |
This is sound advice kids, particularly in FL games. |
I "invested" about a hundred in my home game last night. I fully expect to make that back plus some down the road.
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:45 pm GMT by Phil14312
Thats the best piece of advice I've taken from Dave, he said it a different way a while ago. Play tight, but if you aren't getting hands, pick a hand, raise and re-raise till the river like its the nuts. Guaranteed you get paid off big time.
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