When should I have laid it down? |
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Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:40 pm GMT by Nqon
Full Tilt Poker Game #1195669918: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (7961499), Table 41 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:29:49 ET - 2006/11/04
Seat 1: BIGKEV101 (1,260)
Seat 2: GWBequalsWPEx10 (1,645)
Seat 3: thebill55 (1,175)
Seat 4: beland66 (1,195)
Seat 5: BRAMS17 (1,890)
Seat 6: Nqon (3,190)
Seat 7: oooooooooooomy (875)
Seat 8: tornadotom77 (4,260)
Seat 9: Lichhunter (2,025)
BRAMS17 posts the small blind of 25
Nqon posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Nqon  
oooooooooooomy calls 50
tornadotom77 folds
Lichhunter raises to 150
BIGKEV101 folds
GWBequalsWPEx10 folds
thebill55 folds
beland66 folds
BRAMS17 folds
Nqon calls 100
oooooooooooomy calls 100
*** FLOP ***   
Nqon bets 150
oooooooooooomy folds
Lichhunter raises to 300
Nqon calls 150
*** TURN *** 
Nqon checks
Lichhunter bets 500
Nqon calls 500
*** RIVER *** 
Nqon checks
Lichhunter bets 1,075, and is all in
Nqon: i pray that you dont have AK
Nqon: ....
Nqon: but ofc
Nqon calls 1,075
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lichhunter shows   (a pair of Aces)
Nqon shows (a pair of Kings)
Lichhunter wins the pot (4,225) with a pair of Aces
The blinds are now 30/60
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,225 | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 1: BIGKEV101 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: GWBequalsWPEx10 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: thebill55 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: beland66 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: BRAMS17 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Nqon (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: oooooooooooomy folded on the Flop
Seat 8: tornadotom77 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Lichhunter showed and won (4,225) with a pair of Aces
At what point should I have folded here? I wanted a cheap showdown... But this guy wouldnt let me... Im just curious... Where did I go wrong? On the turn I thought he had two pairs or something, or maybe AK, still not sure. On the end i was pritty sure I was beat, but i couldnt make myself fold. I know I show weakness all the way... But I just never put him on an AA.... It wasnt that I coulnt lay down TP, its just that I never thought he made something good... But thinking over it id see villian doing some solid playing on the table, building himself from 900 chips to where he was on this table. When should I have laid it down? On the turn or? His preflop raise made me thing that AK would be a likely holding. But I just couldnt bring myself to think that. After more reasoning i knew he couldnt have two pairs, as he wouldnt have raised with K3 or KJ....
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Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:40 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
If you thought your hand was best, you should have pushed all-in on the turn. Otherwise, you should have folded on the turn.
The real question you should have asked yourself was, "what, other than a total bluff, could I possibly be beating here?"
Posted Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:51 pm GMT by shorn7
Personally, I fold this preflop. This is a trap hand out of position that you can't play profitably unless you flop two pair. Add to this that this is a tournament where you need to conserve trips and I dump this routinely in the BB to a raise.
Posted Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:43 am GMT by Nqon
So this is down to bad handselection? Or i should have folded on the turn?
I always thought that KQ was an decent hand? its only AK and AQ that can beat it kicker wise if it pairs...
Posted Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:40 am GMT by tame_deuces
KQ is a good hand, but it must be handled with some care as AA,KK,AK and AQ can get it into trouble if you overplay it + it faces the same dangers as these hands do when played. At the same time it is a hand with relatively good implied odds...if it hits hard other powerful hands often make good 2nd best hands.It can get you into troubles if overplayed, but I will also claim it is a hand that is routinely underplayed.
On the board in this hand, the jack is trouble since you don't beat king jack. Which means AA, KK (even though unlikely),AK,KJ, and other plausible early position hands (from an unknown atleast...some players are tighter, some are looser) beats you rather easily. At the same time...what hands would he bet that you beat?
I'm not saying fold, I'm saying look at the hand, the board and your opponent and count the hands you beat. Could be many...could be next to none.
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