Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:37 pm GMT by Always_Bored
Im going to play some holdem in the casino tommorrow for the first time. Ive mastered my skills beating my friends and am looking for a tougher challenge and bigger payout. Im going to give it a shot tommorrow. Any tips on limit (5-10) holdem that you think will help me?
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Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:53 pm GMT by UnluckyKyle
bring plenty of $$ 
Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:27 pm GMT by j0sh
i'd say to make sure you start with $200-250, I just began playing at a casino here and starting with $250 at 6/12 always seems to be enough so 5/10 should be around the same.
Good luck, let us know how you do with a lil session report afterwards.
Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:31 pm GMT by JacksLose
I deal poker in a casino, and I see alot of home game players trying casino poker for the first time. The biggest mistakes I see are that they just dont know the rules of the casino. Alot of things that are ok with your buddies are no-no's in a poker room. Just remember, no string betting, no talking about the hand if your not in it, and try not to swear too much. Otherwise, remember that just because the players are more experienced in casino play doesnt mean they are better than you. Youve got an advantage because they dont know anything about you. Knock em dead!!!!!!!!
Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:15 pm GMT by Always_Bored
im going with 200. thanks for the tips.
Posted Mon Apr 19, 2004 2:14 am GMT by Always_Bored
I did very well!! I lost 200 the first time, but i realized it was my fault. I had a little trouble adjusting to the limit holdem as opposed to no limit. So i went back 2 more times after and walked in with 200 each time and walked out with $640 and $760 which is $800 profit for 2 days of poker.
Posted Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:25 am GMT by ballbp
Good work. I hope you managed to stay away from the blackjack tables. My last time in a casino, my poker winnings were just making up for those loses while waiting for a seat at the poker table.
Posted Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:48 am GMT by Always_Bored
I dont like blackjack. However I am a sucker for the roulette table. I am even on that though. I won about a 100 the first night and lost 100 the second time while waiting for holdem. Next time im gonna keep my money for holdem only.
Posted Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:38 pm GMT by Nate PT
Nice job on the winnings! Ive been playing 2/4 and 3/6 at the card club and it sucks, at least 8 people call to see each flop. I think Im gonna try 6/12 next time, how many people were calling to see the flop in your 5/10?? Did people play well or were they pretty dumb?
Posted Mon Apr 19, 2004 2:44 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| Nate PT wrote: | | Nice job on the winnings! Ive been playing 2/4 and 3/6 at the card club and it sucks, at least 8 people call to see each flop. I think Im gonna try 6/12 next time, how many people were calling to see the flop in your 5/10?? Did people play well or were they pretty dumb? |
It was horrible how many people usually saw the flop. I couldnt believe it. One guy sat down with 200 bucks and raised 4 out of 5 hands preflop and won none of them. He was out of money and had to buy more chips after 5 hands. One guy called all the way to the river with 2,4o and hit a pair of 4's on the river. He didnt even have a straight draw. A, K, 7, 10 were out then a 4 on the river. He also raised a lot on the flop, he almost never won so i never got to see what he raised on preflop. But at my casino if you are in the showdown i can ask to see your cards even if you muck em so I won and he tried to muck and i demanded to see his hand. He had 10-4spades. He raised preflop with 10 loose players on a 10-4 suited. He bought in more than any other player i saw. It was unbelievable how bad some of these players were. I got pocket 2's on small blind and flop comes 6,2,6. WOO Full house. I bet. 4 or 5 callers. turn comes a 7. I bet, 3 callers. River a J. No flush possible, which i was hoping someone would get their flush i assumed they were waiting on with 2 clubs on the flop. I bet again, 1 reraise. I reraise him. He calls. He says with a grin on his face, "ACE High!" I politely flip my cards and say "Full House". The best part was, it wasnt even the ace of clubs. He wasnt even drawing for the flush or really anything except a pair of aces or queens.
I just played very tight. I rarely went in on hands i hadnt already made. I would not chase the river unless the pot was big and it was only one raise and my straight was open ended or i had the nut flush draw. Patience was what won me my money, eventually everyone gets a winning hand. I just played the best hands and folded them if the flop didnt help it at all. The best part is no matter how tight i played, people still called me. If i saw a player like me who called occassionally, folded a lot and rarely raised, when he raises unless i got something big, im folding. Most people at 5-10 just wanted to give me there money and i was happy to take it. I think im going to try 10-20 in a couple weeks. Im going to play a few more times at 5-10. But i would like to play against less river chasers. And ive heard 10-20 has a lot fewer. And my casino only has 5-10, 10-20, 20-40 and 50-100 so i dont know how bad your lower limit tables are but i can only assume they are worse than the 5-10 tables i had.
The best hand i had though was when i was beside my friend who was doing very bad. He never raises preflop unless he has K-K or A-A. He raises right before me. I cant give him chips off the table so I donate them to the pot that im sure he is going to win because i only have 6-7o. I raise. Almost the whole table calls and he caps it at 20. Everyone who calls the 15 calls the 20. flop comes 2, 6, 7. He bets I call (even though i wanted to give him the money i cant fold a winning hand, just in case someone else has a beter hand than him and i dont want to give them money). The turn is a 2. Im like good, i think he has got me with the higher 2 pair and the pot is a nice size, this should bring him back into the game, and I reraise to draw more money into the pot. 3 callers. He now is all in. The river comes up, 7. Giving me the full house. He flops his cards, I was right K, K. I had him on the flop, he had me on the turn and i came on top with the river all on a hand i would have folded had he not raised(which sounds wierd but its true). And i knocked him out. sorry that was so long.
Posted Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:24 pm GMT by MasterShake
Some people just play for the sake of playing. It's crazy. Both Foxwoods trips I took I had AT LEAST one at each table.
Posted Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:06 pm GMT by Matt T
I sat next to guy last night @ $4/$8 who proudly proclaimed that he saw EVERY flop. He lost a lot, fast. There are times that all those river chasers will beat your good hands with trash that caught miracle cards. Man, is that frustrating. I'm guessing here but I think that it may be at the lowest limit, whatever that may happen to be, where this "no-fold-em-hold-em" happens. Just moving up a level or two allows you to at least play a little poker.
Posted Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:03 pm GMT by mindgame
Back to back $400+ wins in $5-10 holdem are quite extraordinary. Don't get spoiled. You can play very, very well for a year and not see that happen again.
Posted Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:11 pm GMT by Always_Bored
It is the lowest limit where i was playing so i may start trying out 10 - 20 soon. Hopefully that elimates some of the human waste that think they know how to play poker.
My friend came out with 650 the first night we went too.
Posted Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:18 pm GMT by mindgame
If you can just plop down as a neophyte and do that well in 10-20 I certianly want to know where the heck you play. Good luck. I do very well at 10/20 myself, but I still lost a total of almost $1500 the last two times out at 10/20 and I'm not exactly unshaken by the back to back disasters.
Posted Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:46 pm GMT by pokertshirtsdotcom
I have found that at whatever limit table I sit down at you'll always have about the same type of play. The people that can afford to sit down at the 30-60 tables have so much money that they dont care and will chase you down just as someone on a 2-4 table. But if you play a solid game you will defintely come out a much bigger winner when you do win.
Just my expieriences.
Keith
Posted Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:02 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| pokertshirtsdotcom wrote: | I have found that at whatever limit table I sit down at you'll always have about the same type of play. The people that can afford to sit down at the 30-60 tables have so much money that they dont care and will chase you down just as someone on a 2-4 table. But if you play a solid game you will defintely come out a much bigger winner when you do win.
Just my expieriences.
Keith |
I would take your opinion much more seriously if you werent a flyers fan.... 
lol, just kidding
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:14 pm GMT by darcy tucker
Always bored..was it the brantford casino or casinorama?
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:18 pm GMT by Always_Bored
It was at brantford, thats the only casino ive ever played holdem at. Rama is too far of a drive for me.
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:43 pm GMT by darcy tucker
What is the quality of play at brantford? Sorry about this message you already answered my question.
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:04 pm GMT by Nate PT
At the card club I play at the 15/30 is supposed to be the only genuine poker table there, the 30/60 is a lot of rich guys that dont care but there are some pretty good people that play there too. The 6/12 is the lowest limit that you can get away from the river rats. This was according to one of the employees I talked to there, he plays 6/12 mainly and has played 15/30 also. This summer when I have more money Im playing 6/12 and if I do well Ill move up (gotta wait til schools done to risk that kind of money).
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:16 pm GMT by mindgame
Odd as it may seem, I do NOT find the dealers a good source of info on the games or the quality of the players in them. Find the guy who's playing 5 or 6 times a week, every week, with no other job. IF you can get him to talk to you, and IF you can motivate him to be honest when doing so, then MAYBE you can get a decent assessment of the games and the quality of the players at the various levels.
My take (I play just outside Chicago) is that it varies GREATLY from one day to the next. And what continues to astound me is that a game can completely change character in a matter of minutes with the addition of one or two new players.
I am fortunate that the casino at which I play draws players 24/7 from as many as 6 differnet states. On any given night there are players from Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. That's about 40 million people. You see about 15 or 20 faces all the time...but the other 60 or 75 are from all over. Makes for a lot of new blood.
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:33 pm GMT by Nate PT
Mindgame, this guy was the cheques runner which may be less reliable than a dealer even but I know when hes not working hes playing a lot and he said another thing he does is when hes not busy he just watches the guys at the 6/12 and 15/30 tables and remembers how they play if he sees them again, but thats a good point that he may not be trust worthy or know what hes talking about, Ill just have to try 6/12 for myself I guess.
Posted Tue May 04, 2004 9:43 pm GMT by darcy tucker
Always Bored have you been back to the casino sinceyour big wins? If so how did they go? I'm going to go as soon as I get back from my trip on the 19th. Going to study a lot while I'm away.
Posted Tue May 04, 2004 10:40 pm GMT by Always_Bored
Ive been once. I lost 100 bucks.
Posted Tue May 04, 2004 10:41 pm GMT by Always_Bored
where is your trip to?
Posted Tue May 04, 2004 11:48 pm GMT by Blarg
"Hopefully that elimates some of the human waste that think they know how to play poker."
You sure you want to eliminate them if they're paying you that well?
What's your goal, to have a good time, or to make money?
Just a bankroll note -- at 10/20, 800 can go in just a few bad hands. If people are forking over the dough that easily at 5/10, it might be a great idea to use that joy to build a REAL bankroll. 800 is just a drop in the bucket for a 10/20 game, and you could be running real scared and easy to manipulate if you come in with only that much unless you've got a lot more to go get out of your wallet. People will start to play against your fear if you go down low, just like they do when you get on a losing streak and people think they can run over you or take psychological advantage.
Sure, $800 could be plenty of money, if you get on a winning streak and stay on it. But losing $800 can be so easy at 10/20, and if you're used to lower level games, it can be psychologically devastating the first time or two it happens.
I'd say a realistic bankroll FOR A SINGLE SESSION, not overall, is 100 times the small bet. So a 10/20 bankroll should have you showing up with a thousand bucks in your pocket. And you can expect to lose your session bankrolls here and there. So your real playing bankroll should be at least several times your session bankroll.
This is if you're planning on playing well within your limits and stress tolerance. If you want to play so you HAVE to win, play with a small bankroll and have nowhere to turn once you run out. But that puts enormous psychological pressure on you, and doesn't really allow for any bad luck. Which is very unrealistic, and very unkind to yourself.
If you do play with a small bankroll, though, you can take comfort in being part of a long, proud, and nearly universal poker tradition, though. :D
Posted Wed May 05, 2004 3:36 pm GMT by pokertshirtsdotcom
Hey Always
Just wanted to say Go FLYERS ! lol
Good Series ...
I'm sure we'll meet again next year.
Keith
Posted Wed May 05, 2004 4:08 pm GMT by Always_Bored
We outplayed you in game 6 and should have won. Oh well, it was a good series. Go Tampa!!!!!
and on a side note...
GO CALGARY!!!!
Posted Fri May 07, 2004 1:52 pm GMT by darcy tucker
That leaf game was a heartbreaker. I'm in Armenia right now but had layovers in england and austria. Im really excited to play when I get back. I think i'm going to play the first few times without calculating pot odds though. Im having a bit of a tough time with them.
Posted Sat May 08, 2004 10:22 am GMT by Avatar
Always_Bored - Where was this casino man? It sounded like the most horrible players on earth. I play at a casino with a lot of bad players..pretty easy pickings, but it doesn't even sound like it compares to yours.
Posted Sat May 08, 2004 12:23 pm GMT by darcy tucker
Avatar you're from St thomas right? Is the casino you play at the one in Windsor?
Posted Sat May 08, 2004 4:06 pm GMT by Always_Bored
Its in Brantford. Usually there all terrible players But sometimes there are some decent to really good players. I just dont talk about the good players as much as the rediculous ones.
This one guy on Thursday had never played poker before. I mean any type of poker. He didnt even understand the hand rankings. Like what beat what. He only raised everytime it came to him. He had 8-3 offsuit and raised preflop. A,K,10 on the flop. He reraises someone elses raise. Turn is another King. He raises. River is a 3. HE raises then showdown. One guy has a straight. He has a pair of threes (and the common kings). He did not fold once and called maybe 3 or four times instead of raising. He barely even spoke english so it was difficult to try and tell him how to play the game.
Posted Fri May 21, 2004 6:18 am GMT by darcy tucker
I finally got back from my trip and my sleeping pattern was so messed up. I ended up playing party poker for real money without sleeping. I played at 0.5-1, 2-4 and 3-6. At first everything was going good. I was winning slowly each hour and eventually had made $70 u.s. But then I kept on playing and I think I stayed in with hands that were good on the flop but way too vulnerable on the turn and river. I ended up losing that 70$ plus another 100$.
I then later on in the day decided to give my local casino a shot. I was really nervous and when I got there I got a bit intimidated. I played 5-10 and at first looked like a blumbling fool ( i folded on the bigblind twice in a row when it hadn't been raised preflop hehe) which i think is not a bad thing to look like. I played pretty tight aggressive. Got up a 100$ and then went back down again. Once again i played a lot of top pairs and top kicker on the flop all the way to the river when I shouldn't have. On one hand I had my queen pair the board but with a king overcard. I played it so strongly trying to represent kings and even check raised which got a few wtf's. Everyone folded by the river except one guy who did in fact have the king. I felt like a fool. On my last hand however I had big slick suited and an ace came on the flop. ON the turn no straight or flush was possible. I kept on raising and raising. I didn't think the board paired on the river but the guy next to me seemed to think that so i dont know. But on the river we completely bet out. I got really nervous cause my board reading skills are not good and wasn't sure what he could have that would beat me besides two pairs. I flipped up my ak, and he turned up ace queen mumbling to himself. What a blast this game is. I ended up winning so in all it was a lot of fun. I just gotta stay away from party poker.
Posted Fri May 21, 2004 11:30 am GMT by Always_Bored
Congrats on the win. What casino did you go to?
Posted Fri May 21, 2004 12:03 pm GMT by darcy tucker
ab it was Brantford.
Posted Fri May 21, 2004 12:06 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| darcy tucker wrote: | | ab it was Brantford. |
thats where I always go. You find some classy people there...lol
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