Posted Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:28 pm GMT by sqwerty
just posted this in the beginners section but maybe it should be here:
I'd be interested to know the opinion of others on this.
I am relatively new to NL hold'em (6 months) but have been been playing and watching an enormous amount so i feel I have a reasonable grasp on tactics etc.
I have only been playing online for money for about a month and have had the following experience:
Having played a few single/multi-table games for $10 I quickly turned to $10 heads up games with great success and have a much better feel for tactics in heads up. Basically from when i started I was winning just about every heads up game I played (maybe 30 wins out of 35 games). In the last week I can't win a thing - I've probably lost 10 in a row !
I don't think I've changed tactics. I know I've come up against a few stronger more aggressive players and I've had some rotten luck on occasion but I can't figure out what's going wrong.
I'm now starting to wonder (and I could be paranoid here) if these poker websites do something for new players to get them hooked - like maybe deal you better hands more often, then start dealing you worse hands a month later after you're hooked.
Am I being paranoid????
Hope so !
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Posted Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:41 pm GMT by supafrey
Don't make opinions about online poker until you've played it for much, much longer. It comes across as foolish. If you need evidence, search through these forums for posts similar to yours and the responses they've gotten.
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:05 am GMT by sqwerty
I’m not having a go at online poker here I’m merely questioning whether this is possible. I acknowledge your point that I need to play for much longer before I can establish a clear pattern but in my short experience the ‘change in fortune’ is very noticeable and I would have thought as you play longer you improve rather than get worse. I also acknowledge that the luck factor in poker could well answer my question after only 50 games but like I said I’m just asking the question.
It would be very easy for a poker site to program in a ‘honeymoon period’ where new players are dealt good hands at a greater rate without even noticing and this could easily have an effect on the results. I wouldn’t even care if that was the case I’m just trying to figure out why I’ve gone from winning 90% of the time to losing 90% of the time. It hasn’t happened over 10 games, it’s happened over 50 games, which I admit isn’t a great amount, but there’s enough games there to begin to wonder what’s going wrong.
But if I am to take your advice on board then I guess all I can do is put it down to chance which is what I guess you are suggesting.
I would have been more interested if you said something like ‘maybe as you play more you are trying to be too smart for your own good an in fact are being too reckless’ or something like that but I guess you just reckon I’m having a cheap shot at online poker.
In any case I’ll keep plugging away and report back to you in a year when hopefully things become clearer.
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:05 am GMT by supafrey
The reason I couldn't reply like that is that it's very likely not the case.
You're experiencing the common ups and downs of any game based on statistical percentages. Any conclusion you have made over your short time is focusing on the tiniest grain of information you have on the biggest beach on the biggest planet in the galaxy - you're trying to find patterns from the amount of tourneys/hands most serious poker players get through before breakfast.
Probability doesn't work like that.
Edit: There are videos of people playing up to about 28 or 30 sit n go tournaments at a time. That means they can get through the sample that you think can have conclusions drawn from it in about 45 minutes to 2 hours at the most. Do you think it's a good idea for a poker player to make ANY type of conclusions from this time frame?
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:09 am GMT by Fat Tony
| sqwerty wrote: | | Am I being paranoid???? |
Yes.
| sqwerty wrote: | | just posted this in the beginners section but maybe it should be here |
Please don't post the same thing in multiple forums, if you need it moved feel free to PM a mod. Thanks.
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:14 am GMT by sqwerty
fair enough then...thanks.
Guess I'll just put it down to an odd run which (considering we're talking heads up here) it appears to be.
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:45 am GMT by Ryan_j37
| supa wrote: |
Edit: There are videos of people playing up to about 28 or 30 sit n go tournaments at a time. That means they can get through the sample that you think can have conclusions drawn from it in about 45 minutes to 2 hours at the most. Do you think it's a good idea for a poker player to make ANY type of conclusions from this time frame? |
Are you serious? 30 tournaments at once? Who are these people?
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:24 am GMT by TheSalche
| Ryan_j37 wrote: | | supa wrote: |
Edit: There are videos of people playing up to about 28 or 30 sit n go tournaments at a time. That means they can get through the sample that you think can have conclusions drawn from it in about 45 minutes to 2 hours at the most. Do you think it's a good idea for a poker player to make ANY type of conclusions from this time frame? |
Are you serious? 30 tournaments at once? Who are these people? |
that many tables is a slight exaggeration ... many ppl play low-limit SnGs 16 at a time. the people who do that have absolutely sick monitor setups and actually make quite a bit of money due to the volume of what they play
p.s. online poker is rigged and the CIA is watching you right now ... ive said too much
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:07 am GMT by supafrey
| TheSalche wrote: | | Ryan_j37 wrote: | | supa wrote: |
Edit: There are videos of people playing up to about 28 or 30 sit n go tournaments at a time. That means they can get through the sample that you think can have conclusions drawn from it in about 45 minutes to 2 hours at the most. Do you think it's a good idea for a poker player to make ANY type of conclusions from this time frame? |
Are you serious? 30 tournaments at once? Who are these people? |
that many tables is a slight exaggeration ... many ppl play low-limit SnGs 16 at a time. the people who do that have absolutely sick monitor setups and actually make quite a bit of money due to the volume of what they play
p.s. online poker is rigged and the CIA is watching you right now ... ive said too much |
First off, don't ever correct me.
Second off, you're wrong. Some, like Rainkhan, have posted videos of 20 to 25 sngs on a single screen. He has also done up to 30. I've done 15 on my 19" widescreen. 12 on my 17" a few months ago.
I've also played up to 14 tables of 200nl at the same time, for, like, 4 hours straight.
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:41 am GMT by MrDarling
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First off, don't ever correct me.
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The real Supa is Back.
Posted Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:57 am GMT by supafrey
that was a joke =)
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