Tell me how badly I misplayed this hand! Argh! |
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Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:11 am GMT by aaronw
$100NL. 6 max. Haven't been at the table too long. No reads. In hindsight I could have played this hand so much better. I should have made a small, donkish bet on the turn. What ya think? A bet of $30-$35 would have probably done pretty well on the turn.
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Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:28 am GMT by MJJ
on the flop you had a bet and a raise- looks like a good place to reraise...
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:10 am GMT by ScanX
u played it alright.
maybe bet less on river but not below 35.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:32 am GMT by shorn7
Scan is right...other than the river, u played it fine. I would make more of a weakish bet there since everyone checked the turn (meaning they probably had bupkus and were betting at a bluff flop). Hopefully, you will catch someone with an Ace and they will pay off. I would bet between 20-30 here.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:00 am GMT by aaronw
I was thinking that on the flop they may have been on some type of straight/flush draw and would have called a bet on the turn.
Edit- on the river I was hoping somebody had a hand like AsXs and hit a pair of aces on the river and may pay off.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:08 pm GMT by joejccva
Or that one guy who raised on the flop could have had pocket A's and could have hit his payoff and went all-in on you, and you'd end up paying him off.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:46 pm GMT by supafrey
| joejccva wrote: | | Or that one guy who raised on the flop could have had pocket A's and could have hit his payoff and went all-in on you, and you'd end up paying him off. |
That's so unlikely it shouldn't ever cross our mind. Ever. Like, ever.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:49 pm GMT by aaronw
| supafrey wrote: | | joejccva wrote: | | Or that one guy who raised on the flop could have had pocket A's and could have hit his payoff and went all-in on you, and you'd end up paying him off. |
That's so unlikely it shouldn't ever cross our mind. Ever. Like, ever. |
I concur with this. I don't think I should be worrying about this at all. I shouldn't be worrying about them hitting their 2 outers. Even if he did have AA, he probably wouldn't check behind on the turn.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:50 pm GMT by supafrey
bet that turn. value value value damnit.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:55 pm GMT by aaronw
| supafrey wrote: | | bet that turn. value value value damnit. |
Yeah... I know. I was about to bet that turn and for some unknown reason, I checked. What do you think would have been a good bet size on that turn? Like $20?
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:04 pm GMT by supafrey
20 or 25, yeah. That still gives value to the flush draw so they're likely to call. The minraise on the flop is just a move stolen from limit that lets people see all 5 cards with their flush draw.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:21 pm GMT by aaronw
I know I should have bet that flop.  . I was sorta hoping that the button would bet again on the turn since he bet the flop. The SB definately had a flush draw though. I can almost guarantee he had that. The weird thing is it probably wasn't even the nut flush draw since he would have hit a pair and probably would have bet out. thoughts?
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:27 pm GMT by TheSalche
I think your flop play is fine, what you really want here is for those flush draws to catch their hand and thats when you're going to stack them.
I agree with supa here, turn bet is a must to build that pot up.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:32 am GMT by gumby_ng
Why not re-raise the flop?
I would think at least one of them has the flush draw, give them the
right odds to draw dead. If these are bad player the other might even
have a gutshot or A high?
With a bet and a raise, I would expect at least one of them to call
a reraise that values them in?
Value in a flush draw on the turn too?
Then depending on who's left, if they act after you, check to let them
bluff?
Especially against weak players, I love to reraise when I know they
are in love with their hand. I know that you are waiting for them to hit
their hand to pay you off. If they hit their hand, they are paying you off.
If the don't hit their hand, at least charge them in the meantime. No?
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:21 pm GMT by supafrey
reraising the flop is pretty horrible.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:01 pm GMT by aaronw
| supafrey wrote: | | reraising the flop is pretty horrible. |
I was thinking the same thing actually....
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:37 pm GMT by ScanX
| supafrey wrote: | | reraising the flop is pretty horrible. |
you are right, but explaining why would be better, mr coach.
maybe it's because if you reraise you definitely have at least a 4 (to their eyes) and by calling you could just seem to be a stubborn drawer.
So it's probably better to just cold call and hope to get in the middle of a fight between the 2 others.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:41 pm GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | maybe it's because if you reraise you definitely have at least a 4 (to their eyes) and by calling you could just seem to be a stubborn drawer.
So it's probably better to just cold call and hope to get in the middle of a fight between the 2 others.
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Not only that, but there is simply no reason to chance all of them folding here. You want them to draw to their flush and you are willing to give anyone with a PP higher than yours (which BTW with the action so far is unlikely) a shot to beat you.
When you flop the monster, let him hide a little while and then bring him out to scare people on the river.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:01 pm GMT by aaronw
| ScanX wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | reraising the flop is pretty horrible. |
you are right, but explaining why would be better, mr coach.
maybe it's because if you reraise you definitely have at least a 4 (to their eyes) and by calling you could just seem to be a stubborn drawer.
So it's probably better to just cold call and hope to get in the middle of a fight between the 2 others. |
I agree 100% with this. Supa- you really should try to expand on your answers. All you do is give one line answers. You should probably try explaining yourself a little bit more. Either way I agree 100% with the fact that you shouldn't raise the flop here.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:09 am GMT by gumby_ng
I still don't get why rr on the flop is so bad.
They either have a draw or the set looking at the flop play.
After seeing the rest of the hand, it looks like either draws or
overcards but of course we don't know that on the flop.
If they either have a draw or the set, then wouldn't pricing
in the flush draw be a better move. I don't see a problem in
letting them know I have a 4 since they think they're drawing
to the flush anyways. I can't see both of them folding in this
spot. It's obvious that at least one of them likes their hand enough
to call a reasonable raise.
On the flop, they either have a hand (4) or have a draw.
If they have a draw, if you don't rr here you might not get anymore (which is waht happened). If you do rr here, you will likely get more.
If they have a 4, you will likely get more either way.
Where's the benefit of not reraising?
I guess we differ on opinions as to whether we'll get a call or not but with
a bet and a raise, I'm pretty sure one would.
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