Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:49 am GMT by MrDarling
been playing NL every day for the last month, since redeposting money.
Between my goals was hoping to clear my bonus without getting broke.
Had loads of up and down and finally manage to clear the bonus (had some help playing some PL Omaha hi/lo real tight)
Anyway, my last few sessions I always finished with a small profit and managed to built my BR back to +$90 (it was as low as $40 in one time)
Same day something happen and I lost $80 in 2 days - almost all my BR is gone.
Wish I could blame a rigged poker site but beside the few time I was out drawn (A's losing to a runner runner str8, AJ losing to J3 that two paired on the turn etc..) most of the time it is totally my fault.
I'm either not laying down when its obvious I'm behind or am laying down to a bluff.
I really thought I got this poker thing figured out, but now it seems like I can't catch a break. Just played a DS 90 players S&G and for a full hour seen one decent hand Q's . I actually seen the flop 7 times.. Got busted with 9's against AK (had to push preflop with only 10XBB left)
I really don't want to deposit again and keep loosing, so its time to start grinding again and hope for the best.
Rant over...
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Danny
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Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:11 pm GMT by khaosanroad
I feel your pain, and I"m actually sticking to proper BR management this time. I've gone down as many as 6 buy-ins at a time, but I've slowly gotten it back.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:16 pm GMT by MrDarling
The worse part about it , I play $10NL and still don't buy for the full amount (I don't think my BR support me buyin for the full amount)
So losing $80 while buyin for usually $4-$6 means I lost that 15 times...
I can't even figured how this happened - guess a long look at the HH in necessary.
Of course now, I buy for the minimum and leave when I double up ...
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:39 pm GMT by supafrey
| MrDarling wrote: |
Of course now, I buy for the minimum and leave when I double up ... |
Reall bad idea. This could explain some things.
Think about it this way...
You're playing poker with a 3 year old that barely knows the rules. He's pretty good at holding chips though, so you agree to play with him. He has a little trouble reading the letters on his cards, though, so his plays aren't exactly that amazing. Either way, within about half an hour of frustrating slowness, you manage to double up your stack against him and leave the table, happy.
You walk over to the next table to see Dan Harrington playing $10nl. You know he's a strong player but figure it would be fun. Well.. it isn't. You sit there and lose a couple stacks but decide to plug it out until you atleast get your money back. You lose and lose and lose.
Moral of the horribly thought out story:
When we're playing against crappy players, there's no reason to stop playing. Like.. at all. Dbl up or not.
When we're playing against good players, there's no reason to even START playing, but if it happens, there's no shame in getting up and walking away.
Poker is about maximizing our winnings and limiting our losses, NOT the other way around..
About your troubles though... err.. yeah some hand analysis or maybe rereading some basic theory would be nice. If you have books, reread them.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:17 pm GMT by MrDarling
The reason for leaving the table is because you can also lose you entire stack even when playing against a child.
For example, in my last table I dbl'd up and was about to leave when I got K's. Naturally I pushed allin preflop met A's which drain my stack. I'm not good enough to lay down K's in low limit poker where most player will go allin with any Ax.
Its either this or depositing again, which I'm really not comfortable with. Not because I can't afford it, but because I've already deposited 3 times. I need this grinding up to make me a better player!
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:59 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
If you think you better then majority of the $10NL players (you would be) buy in the max every time. This maximizes your profit on your big hands and allows you to make more moves etc. You should only leave a table when you either had enough or it becomes unprofitable. A big stack gains you more respect and makes the table more profitable. If your BR cant handle $10NL then play on a different site like stars which has 0.01/0.02 and above. All you can really do is play your A game and put your money in with the most profitable hands.
Good luck in the future
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:03 pm GMT by supafrey
you're gonna haveta trust me on this one darling.
play when you've got the edge. stop playing when you don't. that's all there is to it. DONT LEAVE IF THE COMPETITION IS STILL BAD JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE SOME MONEY.
if the stakes make you uncomfy, move down. But realistically, you should always try to have as much in your stack as possible. I never buy under max, and if i sit at an uncapped table i make sure i can cover pretty much anyone there.
The only time I HAVEN'T bought in max was during a couple live games.. I wanted to come across as a complete newb so i didn't do it, but worked it up instead from a 60-70bb stack instead. That was the exception.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
There are a few good reasons to buy in short in the right situations.
However, I am in full agreement with supa that you should stay at a good table as long as possible to maximize your money-making opportunity. Setting an arbitrary "limit" is not wise.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:49 pm GMT by MrDarling
First, I'm on a Mac , which means my choice of poker room is limited.
seconds , on my site FullTilt $10NL is the lowest stakes.
in fact, I did play some in the $25 and found the players as weak.
But proper BR management says I shouldn't buyin for more the 5% of my BR. So even when I had the full amount I deposited ($100) I shouldn't really buy for the full amount.
Third, I do not trust my game yet. Its a fact, I managed to lose most of my BR in 2 days. I still try to bluff calling station, slow play vulnerable hands and think everybody is making a move on me.
When I do play my A fame I am pretty good, but am still not good enough to play my A game all the time.
I still I have a good player somewhere in me, but haven't completely found him yet
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:51 pm GMT by tame_deuces
If you're gonna lose your stack, atleast try to do it versus players who are worse than yourself.
Come on, losing your stack should never even be a concern. You shouldn't even flinch if you just lost several stacks doing the right plays.
That's the poker bit: You invest your money into what you think are the best decisions, but even so there is always risk involved so you can lose your money, that's the gambling bit.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:12 pm GMT by MrDarling
All true. But when do you decide that you are in fact a losing player and find a better way to pass your time?
for example, just lost my entire stack again. had 9's , raised from position 2 callers. flop come TQ4 rainbow. I get C/R and decide to push. How stupid is that?
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:51 pm GMT by supafrey
| MrDarling wrote: | All true. But when do you decide that you are in fact a losing player and find a better way to pass your time?
for example, just lost my entire stack again. had 9's , raised from position 2 callers. flop come TQ4 rainbow. I get C/R and decide to push. How stupid is that? |
just dont do it?
you sound like you get bored at the table.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:53 pm GMT by Johny
| MrDarling wrote: | All true. But when do you decide that you are in fact a losing player and find a better way to pass your time?
for example, just lost my entire stack again. had 9's , raised from position 2 callers. flop come TQ4 rainbow. I get C/R and decide to push. How stupid is that? |
Why push there? I don't see a worse hand calling. You made a continuation bet and got the info you needed. If this is a typical hand for you then it's a major leak in your game. It seems like you feel you have to win every pot, well that can't happen.
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:57 pm GMT by MrDarling
This is not a typical play - this is a stupid play that I often do.
I actually put him on a weak Q and I still pushed.
However, I then dig deep and play my A game, and of course, then this happen :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?612705
Knew exactly what hands they both had. Made the right move and ....
could be if I had a bigger stack it wont happen, but in these levels, I doubt it!
Posted Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:59 pm GMT by khaosanroad
I played around with the short buy-in strategy for a week and it didn't go well. This is what generally happened.
I wait for my premium hands and when I raise everyone folds and I only pick up the blinds. A slow bleeding death.
I get a premium hand and I get called by people who don't have implied odds, but since I'm short stacked they are still willing to call my all-in flop bet because it's not costing them whole lot to see 2 cards and maybe suck out, and they often did.
after losing 5 buy-ins I gave up on that strategy.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:21 pm GMT by jimmer
I really like it when i read that another poker player has "dug themselves a hole"
It makes me realise I'm somewhat not alone.
Don't think your an expert at hole digging. I bet I can dig deeper and quicker than you!
Over the last couple of years I'd built up a nice little bankroll. (20k). That was until I took most of it out to go on holiday. When I got back my bankroll was so small ($500), i started back on the $0.10-$0.20 cash tables. My plan was to get about $100 on these limits then start increasing levels. Three months down the line I'm on $467. Not only am I not increasing my bankroll.......I'm actually making a loss.
This time last year, I was holding my own on the $2-$4 and $3-$6. Now I can't progress from the $0.10-$0.20.
I've dug such a big hole, I've bought my own shovel.
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