Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:49 pm GMT by odlozilik
I think this is a typical overpair dilema. To lay it down or not?
Stage #492783062: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2006-11-14 19:28:19 (ET)
Table: DAYTONA AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - SMOOV_E ($15.55 in chips)
Seat 2 - ODLOZILIK ($21.10 in chips)
Seat 3 - MERAKECOW ($53.20 in chips)
Seat 4 - HARDLEFTTILT ($16.45 in chips)
Seat 5 - PAGE_7 ($18.55 in chips)
ODLOZILIK - Posts small blind $0.10
MERAKECOW - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to ODLOZILIK  
HARDLEFTTILT - Folds
PAGE_7 - Calls $0.25
SMOOV_E - Calls $0.25
ODLOZILIK - Raises $0.65 to $0.75
MERAKECOW - Calls $0.50
PAGE_7 - Calls $0.50
SMOOV_E - Calls $0.50
*** FLOP ***   
ODLOZILIK - Bets $2.50
MERAKECOW - Folds
PAGE_7 - Folds
SMOOV_E - Raises $6 to $6
ODLOZILIK - ???
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Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:35 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
bet more preflop. Make it at least $1.25 to go. You would have likely got 2-3 calllers anyway and this is more money for you. If you read him for a set (or A4) then fold. If hes fairly aggressive and could be making this move with 66,77,88 then push.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:38 pm GMT by shorn7
I think you have to see one more. Sure, he could have a str8 here, but that isn't likely. What is more likely is that he thinks you are continuing with AK and he has a pair higher than 55 in his hand. So, you can continue in one of two ways:
1. Re-raise on the flop and find out if he has a set (more likely than a str8).
2. Or just call and check the turn to him to see what he does. This choice is a way to control the pot size when you could be ahead but might be behind.
I certainly don't fold right away to thi type of play. If you fold here consistently, good players will run you over.
Shorn
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:43 pm GMT by ScanX
| shorn7 wrote: | I think you have to see one more. Sure, he could have a str8 here, but that isn't likely. What is more likely is that he thinks you are continuing with AK and he has a pair higher than 55 in his hand. So, you can continue in one of two ways:
1. Re-raise on the flop and find out if he has a set (more likely than a str8).
2. Or just call and check the turn to him to see what he does. This choice is a way to control the pot size when you could be ahead but might be behind.
I certainly don't fold right away to thi type of play. If you fold here consistently, good players will run you over.
Shorn |
I have hard time agreeing on both your options shorn.
1. reraising the flop for info would have to be at least to 11 or 12.
He only has $15 to start with so I dont see how u can fold to a push after any reraise you make whatever its size.
2. checking the turn might give him a free river card and wont give you much information about where you're at.
my two options are :
1. fold
But I wouldnt do that, especially at NL25 where people are so stupid and you are more often ahead than behind in this kind of situation.
so I would :
2. push it right there.
make him pay for his draw.
make him pay if he overplays 77/88/99 or whatever.
pay him if he has you beat but as I said, this is less likely than the 2 above.
another option would be to call and lead a non-scary turn...but I really would prefer to push right now.
EDIT : and as others have said, raise more preflop ! :)
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:38 pm GMT by Gunslinger
Based on villain's stack size, this is a push or fold only situation. And, while he might have a set, he might have a lot of other hands you have crushed. I wouldn't be able to fold here.
Of course, if I were in villain's position with a set, that is exactly how I would play it.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:13 pm GMT by BMG13
I'd push. 25NL contains so many fish... I'm sure it's a profitable move.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:07 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Push. You're beating all pairs 66-QQ, any of which he could easily have (most like 66-TT given the action). Set or straight are possible but unlikely, and given the size of stacks, I'm not sure you could get away from it after calling here.
So push or fold. But you're beating too many hands to fold, so push.
Posted Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:21 pm GMT by TheSalche
please raise more preflop so that low card dont get implied odds to hit a set on you ...
you dont want a multiway pot with aces or kings
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:24 am GMT by odlozilik
Thanks everybody for your replies and suggestions. I assumed that if I don't fold here, sooner or later all his chips will finish in the middle of the table. First what I thought was: "If he is normal, he is beating me". But I don't remember I have ever folded kings in such a situation (though I should perhaps), so I didn't again. Anyway, showdown "shocked" me somehow:
ODLOZILIK - Calls $3.50
*** TURN *** 
ODLOZILIK - Bets $0.50
SMOOV_E - All-In(Raise) $8.80 to $8.80
ODLOZILIK - Calls $8.30
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SMOOV_E - Shows   (Two Pair, sevens and fives)
ODLOZILIK - Shows (Two Pair, kings and fives)
ODLOZILIK Collects $31 from main pot
Hard to believe he had nothing...
I was lucky, because one player, who fold on the flop, had 5, as he admitted.
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:52 am GMT by ScanX
betting $0.50 into a $15 on turn is a very bad play because it doesnt accomplish anything.
At that point u either push right away or check-fold or check-raise all-in...but a post oak bluff is just good for donkeys, try avoiding it in the future :)
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