Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:15 pm GMT by shorn7
5/10 NLHE, $1000 max. It is my second lap at the table, so I am around even, down $40 or so ($960 stack). No real reads on anyone yet although there are a few players that I recognize from other sessions. Villain is someone I haven't seen and has a little more than me ($1002).
I get AcAs in the SB. 2 limpers to me and I make it $60 to go. BB folds and only the early limper calls. $140 in the pot, two way.
Flop is Tc 2s 5c. Not the best flop for my hand, but I have the nut blocker and only 1 caller, so i decide to lead for $90. Size of the bet will not give immediate odds for a flush to play, will manage the pot size with my 1 pair hand, but is enticing enough for an underpair to call. He thinks for half his bank and then calls. Not sure if this means anything at this point, but it smells most like a draw or a small pair that is hoping I have overs and since he has position can hope for me to check the turn and he can perhaps take the pot away (typical play at 5/10 with a small pair, one I make myself a lot when a bet smessl like a missed continuation).
Turn is 3s for a board of Tc 2s 5c 3s. Interesting card for me...now I have an overpair and a gutter, albeit one of my gutter cards could be tainted (4c) and possibly two (unlikely he holds spades unless it is something like QT or KT). Anyway, I decide to play a little differently now to try and extract the maximum for draws and get the best value for my hand. I think I am ahead here. So, I check planning to check-raise (bad play? anyone else do this here?). He doesn't dissapoint...he throws out a bet of $210 into the $320 pot. I make it $600 to go and he quickly pushes all-in for my remaining $210. So, pot is $1730 for me to call $210 or 7.5-1.
Questions: Do you lay this down with those odds having no real reads? Do you think my CR was a bad play here given little information? How would you have played the hand differently on any street?
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Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:31 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Sure, call. You have some chance of having the best hand, you have outs for the straight and if he has a set you have outs for a higher the set. With 7.5: that is pretty much a no-brainer when you add 'em all up in my book.
I think C/R almost all-in and then folding to a small bet would be a very bad play btw, nomatter what hand you held.
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:05 pm GMT by supafrey
easy call as played.
really common move at 400 to 1k nl, too.
No problem that I see.
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:09 pm GMT by shorn7
Do you guys like the CR on the turn or would you have led again? I am finding playing big pairs out of position with a medium stack difficult, epsecially against someone who I don't know very well and someone who has made a relatively strong call of the flop bet.
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:24 pm GMT by supafrey
You've got to make money wiht your big hands.
At 1k it gets trickier though because of how good/bad some people are. This play is pretty ABC, though. It can't be thaaaat bad, most of the time.
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:25 pm GMT by aaronw
| shorn7 wrote: | | Do you guys like the CR on the turn or would you have led again? I am finding playing big pairs out of position with a medium stack difficult, epsecially against someone who I don't know very well and someone who has made a relatively strong call of the flop bet. |
I don't play that high, but since you know he is going to take a stab at the pot on the turn if you check to him I like the check. I also like the check raise. However, I think you should just check raise all in as you have to call if he raises. You should just push all in to put more pressure on him if you plan to continue playing the hand. Either way I like how you played the hand.
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:26 pm GMT by Skribbles
As played, this is a must call.
A turn lead may have been better. By c/r you have commited your stack. If you lead for $200-250 and he pushes, its easier to get away from (if you think you're behind).
Posted Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:13 pm GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | A turn lead may have been better. By c/r you have commited your stack. If you lead for $200-250 and he pushes, its easier to get away from (if you think you're behind).
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I agree skribbles. This was the better play. And Aaron, by playing it the way I did, I should have pushed on the CR since I did have to call if he pushed after.
I did end up calling (I was getting propoer odds to call with 6 outs). He turned over 55 for bottom set and I got really lucky and caught an Ace on the river to win the hand. But I still think there is a better way to play this and will start a new thread with an idea.
Thanks all for the comments.
Shorn
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