two hands I'm not sure about |
|
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:49 am GMT by MrDarling
here are 2 hands I'm not sure I played right.
1st - villain is new to table however is pretty aggressive and made me fold pocket K's on his 1st hand on table (could have been a bad fold but flop was 3 suited with an A)
Full Tilt Poker Game #1259851661: Table Chandler Mews - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:41:31 ET - 2006/11/17
Seat 1: MrDarling ($8.85)
Seat 2: muckyohand ($10)
Seat 3: Getrichclick ($2.45)
Seat 4: BADolata ($7.30)
Seat 5: Dustoff 710 ($10.80)
Seat 6: dcanz ($14.15)
Seat 7: duckhunter06 ($1.05)
Seat 9: GoHuskies69 ($10.45)
muckyohand posts the small blind of $0.05
Getrichclick posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
BADolata folds
Dustoff 710 folds
muckyohand: u might have had just a 9
dcanz folds
muckyohand: thief
duckhunter06 folds
GoHuskies69 folds
muckyohand: haha
MrDarling raises to $0.40
muckyohand calls $0.35
Getrichclick folds
*** FLOP ***   
muckyohand checks
MrDarling bets $0.40
muckyohand raises to $0.80
MrDarling calls $0.40
*** TURN *** 
muckyohand bets $1.75
MrDarling raises to $5
muckyohand calls $3.25
*** RIVER *** 
muckyohand bets $3.80, and is all in
MrDarling calls $2.65, and is all in
I put him on weak A. I hate this river, but I have to call right?
full hand is here :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617082
2nd hand :
Villain just join table. No real reads.
Full Tilt Poker Game #1260109597: Table Lake Sahara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:17:08 ET - 2006/11/17
Seat 1: GoHuskies69 ($10.10)
Seat 2: coolcjp ($9.80)
Seat 3: Diamondback07 ($9.90)
Seat 4: Trinity01 ($5.50)
Seat 5: Alizo ($7.60)
Seat 6: BajaRose ($3.25)
Seat 7: ptoomey ($4.45)
Seat 8: folsom33 ($5.40)
Seat 9: MrDarling ($17)
ptoomey posts the small blind of $0.05
folsom33 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
MrDarling raises to $0.30
GoHuskies69 folds
coolcjp folds
Diamondback07 calls $0.30
Trinity01 folds
Alizo folds
BajaRose folds
ptoomey calls $0.25
folsom33 folds
*** FLOP ***   
ptoomey checks
MrDarling bets $0.60
Diamondback07 raises to $1.20
I'm guessing he hits this flop either a T or a K and think I simply cont bet
MrDarling raises to $2
Diamondback07 raises to $9.60, and is all in
now this is a hugh over bet.
I don't think he has a set or even 2 pairs. I also don't think he holds AK.I still think he has a weak K.
MrDarling calls $7.60
Is this a horrible call?
full hand : http://www.pokerhand.org/?617084
Any comments are welcome.
I work hard to grind and built my BR slowly slowly and then lose most of it in hands like these .
Did you know that participating in a poker forum can help you improve your own game? Be it by sharing experiences or simply asking for help, participation in a forum helps you focus and keep 'on topic' which will help you improve your game. You can learn from other players feedback and from their experiences. Why the THP poker forums? We offer one of the best managed texas holdem poker forums available, and the community within is far more friendly than those typicaly found on other sites. We've made a 'lurkers edition' of the poker forum available here on Holdem Poker Online, but we encourage all visitors to register and join in on the conversations on TexasHoldem-Poker.com
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:26 am GMT by shorn7
Hand #1 you definitely have to call. Just a cooler river card.
Hand #2, I would lay that down quickly on his huge re-aise. In fact, once he raises your initial bet, I slow down to try and see a safe turn card (since he could raise here with a diamond draw). There is no way I get all my $$ in to the middle with your hand on that board. I know you are good enough to find a better spot to call off all of your $$.
As it turns out, he overplayed his hand as well, but it was still better than yours. Gotta muck there.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:42 am GMT by Jauron
You did everything but win the first hand, nothing to say there except tough river.
Hand two, you were right in your read and you just got unlucky. I don't know how tempted I'd be to call his all-in but you found a hand you could beat and did it, just got unlucky. You have to be a little careful of the advice you take for this hand IMO, if it was your read you were a big favorite and had every right to get the money in the middle. If it was something else then the call was iffy. I only mention that because you start off the hand by saying new player and no reads and then get a very specific read into the hand that could IMO meant a lot of different things.
I can't really find anything else to beat up on ya for, I guess don't be so unlucky? Hang in there man.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:16 pm GMT by MrDarling
Thanks. To clarify : I usually put people on hands I can beat, It allow me to play more hands 
Seriously, I do not know how or why I felt he had a worse kicker but I did.
At the time I felt like I played great. Had a great read but simply lost to one of his 3 outers. However, when I cooled down I got to think that maybe I didn't play it fine. He could have been over protecting his 2 pairs or even a small set. Sure in this levels most players usually slow play those but who knows...
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:39 pm GMT by Skribbles
KQ IS NOT A GOOD HAND!
TOP PAIR IS NOT A GOOD HAND!
After saying that, the first hand the money went in slowly and would be tough to get away from. But the 2nd hand... I really don't like. I see more people get stacked on KQ than any other hand. All you have is a pair... Lay it down.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:36 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Skribbles wrote: | KQ IS NOT A GOOD HAND!
TOP PAIR IS NOT A GOOD HAND!
After saying that, the first hand the money went in slowly and would be tough to get away from. But the 2nd hand... I really don't like. I see more people get stacked on KQ than any other hand. All you have is a pair... Lay it down. |
I'm in full agreement. Same goes for pretty much everyone else who posted. Hand 1 is ok, hand 2 is bad.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:49 pm GMT by supafrey
yeah second hand is bad. stop thinking so specifically...
There's no need to min raise like that... if you REALLY want info, raise to 3 or so, and be prepared to fold to any more money. You're going to have to get used to the fact that against super aggressive people you're going to have to wait for opportunities where you're SURE that you're winning. Being a good player doesn't necessarily mean you haveta say "okay he has a pair of tens with an ace kicker, i think". Low stakes players don't usually have the guts to make super strong plays (especially seeing your resistance) without having you beat there. Re-re-reraises don't usually happen with worse than top pair - top kick.
Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:55 pm GMT by MrDarling
| supafrey wrote: | | ... Low stakes players don't usually have the guts to make super strong plays (especially seeing your resistance) without having you beat there. Re-re-reraises don't usually happen with worse than top pair - top kick. |
Please check again the first hand.
This kind of play happen all the time in low levels. A lot of these players do not understand the value of a kicker. For crying out loud , he called a raised with A5o.
But I am starting to understand the vulnerability of a pair. Somewhat.
I'm still not sure how to play them against an aggressive player.
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:00 pm GMT by MrDarling
check out this hand , again to prove my point about players at lower levels.
Not only did he reraise me with 2nd button - he called an allin from a 3rd player
Full Tilt Poker Game #1286878864: Table Chandler Mews - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:50:00 ET - 2006/11/22
Seat 1: eZ Beware ($9.20)
Seat 2: kingjimmi ($5)
Seat 3: High and Mighty ($5.35)
Seat 4: EasySt3613 ($4)
Seat 5: crukdogg ($7.30)
Seat 6: sjirk ($2.05)
Seat 7: eugenewinchell ($5.65)
Seat 8: MrDarling ($8.20)
Seat 9: DRUNKINZOMBIE ($4.65)
eugenewinchell posts the small blind of $0.05
MrDarling posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
DRUNKINZOMBIE calls $0.10
eZ Beware folds
kingjimmi folds
High and Mighty calls $0.10
EasySt3613 folds
crukdogg folds
sjirk calls $0.10
eugenewinchell calls $0.05
MrDarling raises to $0.50
DRUNKINZOMBIE calls $0.40
High and Mighty calls $0.40
sjirk folds
eugenewinchell calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** 
eugenewinchell checks
MrDarling bets $1
DRUNKINZOMBIE raises to $2
High and Mighty folds
eugenewinchell raises to $5.15, and is all in
MrDarling folds
DRUNKINZOMBIE calls $2.15, and is all in
eugenewinchell shows  
DRUNKINZOMBIE shows  
Uncalled bet of $1 returned to eugenewinchell
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
eugenewinchell shows a pair of Jacks
DRUNKINZOMBIE shows two pair, Aces and Threes
DRUNKINZOMBIE wins the pot ($10.30) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:04 pm GMT by Skribbles
| MrDarling wrote: | check out this hand , again to prove my point about players at lower levels.
|
No need to play down to their level.
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:21 pm GMT by MrDarling
agreed. But how do you play against them when you don't have the nuts?
I was actually planing to call the first raise. But when other dude pushed I knew I'm no longer ahead. But imagine this was HU. How would you play 10's on a flop like that?
Simply fold to any resistance?
I do fold a lot more lately. I only lose when I chase draws or when I out drawn (or unlucky enough to have J's against K's or K's cracked by 9's etc...)
thanks.
Danny
|
|
