Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:43 am GMT by MrDarling
I seriously starts to doubt my ability to play poker.
I sit in a table and more often then not manage to build a nice stack (1.5XSbuyin) but even more often I manage to lose most of it if not all of it.
I just deposited again and again lost half of it in a day (its probably not that much considering half my stack is 3X buyin)
So I'm looking through my HH and checking my big losing hands.
Any help is appreciated :
(hand 4 and 6 are in a separate thread in the basic theory section - mod's I apology)
I realize these are a lot of hands. If you guys have time feel free to comment on my play in any of them
Thanks a lot.
Hand 1 monster draw.
Flopped top pair with str8 flush draw. played pretty aggressively but missed.
Probably shouldn't have bet the river.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617128
Hand 2 Junior str8 against flopped nut str8.
Was really worried about the nut str8 but you guys said I should usually call hugh over bet in these levels. Bad call or bad luck (meaning most times I will be against 2 pairs or a set at best)
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617132
Hand 3. Probably just tilting. But still hard to get away from.
3rd pair , last to act. I bet and get called.
turn blank. I bet and get C/ mini raise. I decide to call.
River gives me 2 pair. Villain put me allin and I call.
should have probably fold the turn...
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617138
Hand 4. KQs and I raise from UTG (was pretty aggressive at table, villain is new) 2 callers.
Flop T5K (2 diamonds) I bet, villain min raise. I'm thinking a 10 or a weaker K. I raise he push.
true to my read I call. He shows KJo and does catch a J on the turn.
Is this bad luck or should I have folded seeing I could have been behind many hands :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617142
Hand 5. K's raised got reraised. Had a bad feeling and simply call. Worse flop ever Axx suited. I bet he pushes. I fold.
Bad fold? Bad preflop play?
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617146
hand 6. Trapping with AQ gone bad. I'm thinking in this levels he would have called any bet. So maybe this is simply bad luck. Should I have fold on the river?
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617147
Hand 7. Flush Q high against Flush K high. Does everybody go bust here?
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617154
Hand 8. Folding TP J kicker to a 3 to the flush board. Am not sure about that, but it felt right at the time :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?617158
Did you know that participating in a poker forum can help you improve your own game? Be it by sharing experiences or simply asking for help, participation in a forum helps you focus and keep 'on topic' which will help you improve your game. You can learn from other players feedback and from their experiences. Why the THP poker forums? We offer one of the best managed texas holdem poker forums available, and the community within is far more friendly than those typicaly found on other sites. We've made a 'lurkers edition' of the poker forum available here on Holdem Poker Online, but we encourage all visitors to register and join in on the conversations on TexasHoldem-Poker.com
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:19 am GMT by shorn7
Well, certainly some of these hands are just plain cooler's (flush over flush, str8 over str8) but it seems to me that you have a few recurring things that you might work on (IMO):
1. Being aggressive in spots where you are likely to be called with a better hand only: Take the hand where you had the str8-flush draw. Definitely you should GET to the river with that hand, but betting the river with 3rd pair when their is a 4 str8 on the board and your opponent has been calling all the way is bad poker. You will either get called by only a better hand or win no more money when he folds and you have the better hand. So, no additional value from that play.
2. Creating big pots with somewhat marginal hands: We need to remember (I do this too) that top pair is not a big pot hand most of the time. It seems that your bet sizing is creating pots that are bigger than they should be with only 1 pair. Big pots are for big hands only, so slow down a bit.
3. Raising/playing marginals in EP: The J8o hand is atrocious IMO. This is an easy much UTG and certainly if you play it, flop 3rd pair and are called on a KQJ board, you need to shut down. It was only difficult to get away from on the river because you allowed yourself to get there. Avoid this by simply folding.
Also, raising UTG with KQs is, IMO, too aggressive in a full ring game. This is a hand that is most likely to win a big pot only when you hit one of your draws and therefore should be limped up front and only played more aggressively in position.
4. Value position: Just from this sample, it appears to me that you play way too many hands in EP. Good NL players have very low EP preflop play %...most of the hands they play are in MP and LP. Position is the #1 determining factor in this game, so look for reasons to fold upfront and for reasons to play (and play aggressively even with marginals) from LP. Your % of hands played should not be an equal distribution among the different positions at the table. It should increase as you move from EP to LP.
Other than that, you seem to have a decent grasp of the game itself form the posts here, so just stick with it. Rememeber that even top players go through extended losing periods as the cards can run bad for long peridos of time. So, keep questioning your decisions and studying. That's the only way to improve.
Good luck.
Shorn
4.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:37 am GMT by aaronw
I agree 100% with shorn here. It seems that you are playing marginal hands in EP. Try tightening up alot in EP and loosening up in LP. This would help you stay out of bad situations with bad hands.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:45 am GMT by tame_deuces
I would just like to say that TPGK and TPTK is my main moneymakers at low stakes, that's just how these stakes work, people are going to be in there with bad aces & kings and they are gonna pay you off. You just have to look at the board and count the hands you beat.
So unless I have a read that says otherwise, I'm never afraid to build a big pot with TPGK or better at low stakes + people often falls for the simplest tricks like checking behind on turn (to get them to bet big on river) or checking to them on turn when they called the flop (vs bad aggroes.) etc.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:59 am GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | I would just like to say that TPGK and TPTK is my main moneymakers at low stakes, that's just how these stakes work, people are going to be in there with bad aces & kings and they are gonna pay you off. You just have to look at the board and count the hands you beat.
So unless I have a read that says otherwise, I'm never afraid to build a big pot with TPGK or better at low stakes + people often falls for the simplest tricks like checking behind on turn (to get them to bet big on river) or checking to them on turn when they called the flop (vs bad aggroes.) etc.
|
This may be true at the lower stakes. I should have clarified that I don't play those stakes so perhaps some of my comments are not applicable. That being said, be prepared to have wider variance swings if you build big pots with these hands since you will be much more likely to lose more big pots when someone does river two pair or have you outkicked (as in the hands he put out there).
One other thing to keep in mind: I would assume that the players on here that play the lower limits have goals to move up from those limits at least to some degree. If that is the case, then you will need to adjust your style of play so that you don't always build big pots at the higher levels with these hands because it isn't generally a good idea.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:27 am GMT by gumbie
2 and 3 fold preflop.
9 raise the flop (or fold).
Rest are unlucky.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:12 pm GMT by UrAteUp
1) Out of position and two low suited cards. This is an easy fold pre-flop here. However if I did play it I surely wouldn't be raising after the turn and no way would I be thinking I had villian beat here with 2 pr and one of those being community.
2) Ok you had the sb spot. But even in the sb you don't want to play every hand. With a flop like that you can't hardly think you had the nut straight, so why try to force the betting? If anything you should have rode it down or throw it away. I would be leaning heavily toward throwing it away pre-flop.
3) Fold pre-flop. Repeat after me...I will never lead out betting 3rd pair ever again. Waist of money to even think of riding this was further then the flop.
4) This was just bad luck. Villian was the fool here and just lucked out and was able to draw out on you.
5) I think this was a smart laydown here. Villian was most likely on an AX hand.
6) Just pure bad luck. Don't slow play a good hand. I seriously douby villian would have gotten away from it even if you had went all-in after the flop. This jerk seems like the type to call.
7) Bad luck here. Not sure I would have called the raise with QJs.
8) I think this was a smart laydown here. Villian either had that flush or had a decent hand like two pair. I feel it was something more then a pair though.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:31 pm GMT by Skribbles
| tame_deuces wrote: | I would just like to say that TPGK and TPTK is my main moneymakers at low stakes, that's just how these stakes work
|
Playing 72o is my biggest moneymaker on the play money tables.
Just because it works doesn't mean its good poker. You'll lose all the money you've won once you step up to higher levels.
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:51 pm GMT by MrDarling
Thanks for all your replies guys.
Shorn, thanks for reminding me about position. Its really easy to forget about value of hands in relation to position, especially in low levels.
Few remarks :
First, you have to play differently in different levels. Its as simple as that. Try to bluff a low limit player out of his 3rd button with a flush and a str8 board and they will usually call. Even if you haven't played a hand for the last 4 rounds.
That said I understand the need to try and control the pot size with only TPTK. However you also want to make them pay if they draw...
An UR few specific points :
Hand 2 : I love those kind of hands. Imagine there was no 9 on that board and I was against a set or a slow playing A's. I would have broke them.
I'm still not 100% my call was wrong. I was worry about a str8 but I can see the same move done by over pairs,two pairs and a set. So in the long run it might be +EV
Hand 3 - short hand game in position - I'll limp or even raise with J8 most of the time. And I have no problem with the stab on the flop or the one on the turn - though I should have fold it quickly to the c/r. But like I said, I was tilting and thought everybody is trying to bluff me.
Taking pots no one want is a big money maker in NL..
And Skirb , just for sake of theory , how would you have played hand 6 if we were holding AK?
Thanks again. I seriously do not want to deposit again and am now sitting tight, playing position and offering sacrifices to the poker Gods
Posted Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:23 pm GMT by Skribbles
| MrDarling wrote: |
And Skirb , just for sake of theory , how would you have played hand 6 if we were holding AK?
|
Re-raise the flop to $2-3.
His min-raise either means he has a monster or he has a small piece and he doesn't believe that you have any of it. If he calls a re-raise then slow down and either get to a showdown as cheap as possible or get out of the hand.
With a TPTK hand and NO draws, you want to end it ASAP.
|
|
