$0.50/$1 NLHE Hand for comments |
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Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:58 am GMT by shorn7
This is a hand from a buddy of mine which I thought was interesting:
$100 max. NLHE. Hero has around $110 and Villain has him covered ($170). Villain has been aggressive in the session and seems to know what he is doing. Hasn't tabled that many hands, but the one's he has have been relatively strong.
Hero gets AcAd in the BB. Folded to villain on the button who open limps. SB completes. Hero raises to $3 and both players call. Anyone think that the raise was too small?
Flop comes Th 4h 5s. SB checks. Hero leads for $7 into the $9 pot. Button min-raises to $20. SB folds. Hero decides to just call given the drawy nature of the board. HE wants to see a cheap turn card and then re-evaluate. Anyone else re-raise here? Pot is $49 and hero has $87 left.
Turn is the 2c. Hero decides to check (Anyone bet here?). Button pushes Hero all-in. So, $136 in the pot to call $87.
What's your play and why?
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Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:07 pm GMT by aaronw
I believe the raise was too small PF. With the SB and the button in he should have raised it to $4 - $5. I think he played the flop fine. With villain overbetting the flop he more than likely does not want a call. The villain may have hands from a pair + a straight/flush draw like 56hh or 89hh. He may even just have a pair. The villain may be thinking that the hero was trying to make a continuation bet with AK. That is why I like the check on the turn. This makes it look like AK. Most people at these stakes will call the min raise on the flop with 2 overcards hoping to spike their A or K. I think he played the hand ok but has to call in this situation because his hand is so under represented and the fact that the villain probably puts him in on two unpaired high cards.
Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:55 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Why on Earth would hero want a cheap turn card???
Only hand you can be worried about here is a set, and given the stack sizes, if that's the case, we might just have to go broke here.
I, too, would like to see a raise to $5 rather than $3 preflop, and definitely reraise that flop, especially if villain is an aggro player and has been known to do this with draws. Plus, it's likely villain just thinks Hero is weak and that the flop did not hit him (not an unreasonable assumption). I think we have an easy reraise here, and I think there is a definite argument for just pushing all-in right here to deny any draws the proper odds for calling. Unless villain has a set, we can't be worse than even money or so here.
The way it was played, I don't see how we can lay it down. I see a lot of people at $100 NL whose pushes tend to signify a lack of desire for a caller. If he has a set, I think his turn play is atrocious, as he should try to get in half his stack there, and half on the river (roughly). I call, because the turn can't be any safer than that, and we are way ahead of most of villain's possible hands.
Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:07 pm GMT by aaronw
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Why on Earth would hero want a cheap turn card??? |
I don't think its the fact that he wants to see a cheap turn card. I think its the fact that he wants to make sure a safe card comes before committing the rest of his chips. He is making sure the turn doesn't fill a straight or flush before committing more chips to the pot.
Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:26 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| aaronw wrote: | | xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Why on Earth would hero want a cheap turn card??? |
I don't think its the fact that he wants to see a cheap turn card. I think its the fact that he wants to make sure a safe card comes before committing the rest of his chips. He is making sure the turn doesn't fill a straight or flush before committing more chips to the pot. |
I would agree with you on some more speculative hands, but not here for a couple reasons:
1. If we push all-in, he would be wrong to call with any draw except a straight + flush draw, or some combination of pair + draw.
2. If a "safe" card comes on the turn, we probably don't have a shot at his stack, which is what we want; and ideally, we want him to have the worst of it when the chips go in.
I want to believe villain is raising PF with TT, so the only hands I'm remotely worried about are 44 and 55 (54 to a lesser degree, as we have a lot more outs against that). We're a favorite against A  5 , and we're about even money with 6 7 .
Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:12 pm GMT by aaronw
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | aaronw wrote: | | xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Why on Earth would hero want a cheap turn card??? |
I don't think its the fact that he wants to see a cheap turn card. I think its the fact that he wants to make sure a safe card comes before committing the rest of his chips. He is making sure the turn doesn't fill a straight or flush before committing more chips to the pot. |
I would agree with you on some more speculative hands, but not here for a couple reasons:
1. If we push all-in, he would be wrong to call with any draw except a straight + flush draw, or some combination of pair + draw.
2. If a "safe" card comes on the turn, we probably don't have a shot at his stack, which is what we want; and ideally, we want him to have the worst of it when the chips go in.
I want to believe villain is raising PF with TT, so the only hands I'm remotely worried about are 44 and 55 (54 to a lesser degree, as we have a lot more outs against that). We're a favorite against A 5 , and we're about even money with 6 7 . |
I'm not saying that I agree with the reasoning, I was just simply saying that was the reasoning that may have been going through his head at the time.
Posted Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:20 pm GMT by supafrey
as played, call.
too easy of a bluff card for us to not be making money by calling.
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