low limits quality of play |
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Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:07 pm GMT by MrDarling
few of you high stake players forgot the quality of the play in the low limit.
Though playing against weak player should be easier , it is much harder to put players on a hand and I think it is pretty easy to lose big pots with ok hands.
here are two examples, these are hand after hand in one table I play now.
Hand 1 :
Full Tilt Poker Game #1287468201: Table Los Prados - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:44:59 ET - 2006/11/22
Seat 1: Sebastian Ibis ($8.65)
Seat 3: MrDarling ($7.65)
Seat 4: przem16 ($8.85)
Seat 5: gooze ($3.65)
Seat 6: summitdog ($6.50)
Seat 7: Tony333 ($3.95)
Seat 8: Brizzle00 ($5.20)
Seat 9: immortalbmw ($2.80)
przem16 posts the small blind of $0.05
gooze posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
summitdog calls $0.10
Tony333 folds
Fr33za adds $10
Brizzle00 folds
immortalbmw calls $0.10
Sebastian Ibis calls $0.10
MrDarling calls $0.10
przem16 folds
gooze checks
*** FLOP ***   
gooze checks
summitdog checks
immortalbmw checks
Sebastian Ibis checks
MrDarling checks
*** TURN *** 
gooze checks
summitdog bets $0.55
immortalbmw folds
Sebastian Ibis folds
MrDarling calls $0.55
gooze folds
*** RIVER *** 
summitdog checks
MrDarling bets $0.90
summitdog raises to $1.80
MrDarling calls $0.90
Dream flop for me. And I really thought I have the absolute nuts.... until the river. Once I've seen the river I realized I am now behind many many hands (any A face combo let alone all top PP). But it is checked to and I decide to value bet. Dude check/raise me. Luckily its a min raise and I quickly call :
*** SHOW DOWN ***
summitdog shows   (two pair, Aces and Queens)
MrDarling shows (a flush, Ace high)
MrDarling wins the pot ($4.75) with a flush, Ace high
The board paired, so millions of hands as him beat and still, he C/R. What a donk.
next hand :
Full Tilt Poker Game #1287479115: Table Los Prados - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:47:46 ET - 2006/11/22
Seat 1: Sebastian Ibis ($8.55)
Seat 2: Fr33za ($9.90), is sitting out
Seat 3: MrDarling ($10.60)
Seat 4: przem16 ($8.40)
Seat 5: gooze ($3.50)
Seat 6: summitdog ($3.95)
Seat 7: Tony333 ($3.95)
Seat 8: Brizzle00 ($5.20)
Seat 9: immortalbmw ($2.60)
summitdog posts the small blind of $0.05
Tony333 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling 
Brizzle00 folds
immortalbmw folds
Sebastian Ibis calls $0.10
MrDarling calls $0.10
przem16 calls $0.10
gooze calls $0.10
summitdog calls $0.05
Tony333 checks
*** FLOP ***  
summitdog checks
Tony333 bets $0.60
Sebastian Ibis calls $0.60
MrDarling folds
przem16 folds
gooze calls $0.60
summitdog folds
*** TURN *** 
Tony333 bets $3.25, and is all in
Fr33za has returned
Sebastian Ibis has 15 seconds left to act
Sebastian Ibis folds
gooze calls $2.80, and is all in
Tony333 shows  
gooze shows 
Uncalled bet of $0.45 returned to Tony333
*** RIVER *** 
Tony333 shows two pair, Kings and Threes
gooze shows two pair, Fives and Twos
Tony333 wins the pot ($7.20) with two pair, Kings and Threes
gooze stands up
ok, not an aggression but an allin call with what? 2nd pair.
So my point? Guys, it is really hard to put low limit players on a hand. TPTK can infact bring big pots in low limit NL.
You do need to play differently in low limit.
I'm now playing scared poker. And am not losing as much. I allow people to bluff me. I allow them to win pots with their TPNK even when holding TPTK. I might lose a lot of money by not calling or raising. But I do manage to slowly rebuild my BR by not calling when they actually have a hand.
I do make money when I hit good hands (2 pairs, sets, str8's and flushes) and I do win most small pots when am holding TPTK.
I'm still a losing poker player (and will still be until I recover all I've deposited) but am somehow managing to keep my small BR (was down to 1.5Xbuyin )
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Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:15 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| MrDarling wrote: | | I'm now playing scared poker. |
I suggest you get even more scared and start folding that Qx suited trash, especially the Q2(?) in EP. I've noticed your preflop hand selection is pretty bad without the requisite experience to play those hands well postflop.
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:18 pm GMT by zinn0
What Sean said.
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:45 pm GMT by MrDarling
lol. Yeah, I'm surprised I called, probably was rushing and followed Doyle rules , always plays a hand after he wins a pot. (though I don't often do it) Wanna talk result oriented ? I would have won that hand had I stayed.
I actually play much less hands now a days (running session I'm 40%, which is higher then my normal 36%) I easily fold AJ to a raise prefold and even PP to a bet-raise reraise situations...
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:54 pm GMT by supafrey
Sean brings up a small side point.
The more comfortable you get at playing poker, the looser you can play preflop. You aren't comfortable yet, why are you playing q2s? Ever? 
And what you're saying is exactly coinciding with the advice we've given you. Bet out big when you have it, get out cheap when you don't... make the donks pay with middle pair and you'll win alot more money than you lose.
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:07 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
The fact that your hand had to be good in the first instance has nothing to do with stakes, but has to do with the simple fact that people are going to raise with AA, KK, JJ, AK, and probably AJ at almost any stakes. I think that river is an easy reraise, because given the action on the early streets, I'm not giving any player credit for a boat with a board like that.
Also bear in mind that NL Hold'em is primarily a game of trading mistakes. getting bluffed occasionally and losing small pots is a small mistake, and one you should gladly trade your opponents for the BIG mistakes you're hoping they will make (like bluffing too much and then getting stubborn when you have a hand, or consistenly paying off with trash hands).
| Quote: | | You do need to play differently in low limit. |
You do need to play differently against bad opponents. FYP.
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