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Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:34 pm GMT by NCoE
Hi everybody, first post here.
I want opinions on a situation that just accured in a cash game.
I limp together with a few others with A8s and the flop comes AA7, two spades. Before my turn to act a guy shoves in more than a buyin into the pot (and at the site I play the buyins are 200bb!).
My read on this guy is that he is a bad player, I play at a level were the players are generally bad but he's worse than average. He's a pretty loose caller but he hasn't made a move like this or anything similar before.
Oh, and it's a full ring.
I'm next to act after the huge bet, what's my move?
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Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:59 pm GMT by supafrey
fold
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:10 pm GMT by MilkyPirate
How can you not make the obvious read of 77?!!? This donk was probably like "Holy shit 77 with 7AA equals teh nutz!!! I am pwnerz this noob more tehn he would pwners me if he had 77!"
In all seriousness ask yourself, "Do I have the best hand here?" Since you didn't really clarify what limits you are playing at, I do not know if you are playing micro limits with a bunch of stupid people or 10000NL with Phil Ivey at the Bellagio. Your read on the guy is "worse than bad" so his range of hands could be astronomical (I always wanted to use that word in a poker sentence).
Another thing is that apparantly you aren't the only one in the hand...there are guys behind you left to act...if one of them limped with AT, AJ (which are common limping hands...again depending on the limit which you didn't specify) you are screwed.
The flush draw on board is also another thing to be concerned about...if the donk dude guy had KTs he might've thought to himself "OMGZ!!! KTs has 9 outs to teh nutz plus running K K or running T T or running Q J...thats like 18 outs multiplied by my 36% chance of making flush...therefore I have a 648% chance to make teh nutz" (Obviously running K K and running T T does not help his hand if he is up against trip A's...but donks don't know any better). Granted I'm pointing out how moronic some poker players can be (like myself) but there is a lot riding against you this hand.
I'm too lazy to get into statistics (just like I lazily analyzed this hand)...but a fold here seems like the best option. But again let me stress that different limits can be the difference between a call and a fold. There will be some players who are like "It doesn't matter what limits it is cuz its always important to make the right decisions!" However, looking at the bigger picture sometimes (like what stakes u play) can give you a better read on the situation (there is a big difference between losing 20$ at 10NL than 200$ at 100NL).
That's all I got...
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:43 pm GMT by shorn7
With no information, this should be an EZ fold. He most likely has 77 and is pushing to hopefully catch one or both Aces active. THis is a common play.
For you, you just have to decide is there any way you are ahead here. With A8, there are so many Ace hands that have you crushed, that it is a quick fold. If you held AJ or higher, it would be more difficult.
So, fold and hope someone else (the other Ace) calls or he is stupid enough to show his cards and you can get a read on him.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:57 am GMT by NCoE
Alright guys, thanks for the replies.
This is indeed micro limits and I think that makes the decision tougher, figuring as someone said that the players could do this type of thing with some strange holdings.
I decided to fold it though, thinking I was likely bo be beat. I'm a favourite in these games anyway so I want to avoid calling weird allins with questionable hands.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:03 am GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | | I decided to fold it though, thinking I was likely bo be beat. I'm a favourite in these games anyway so I want to avoid calling weird allins with questionable hands. |
This is EXACTLY how you want to think. Why put your $$ in the middle in this spot when you know you are a favorite in the game long run and you also know that you can and will find a better spot where someone else will call you? Let them be the donkey's who call off all their $$ with A8...you wait, be patient, and then stack for a while when it comes.
We all need to remember that folding apparent strong hands in the correct spots is what makes merely good players very good. Money saved is money earned.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:15 pm GMT by Skribbles
| MilkyPirate wrote: | (there is a big difference between losing 20$ at 10NL than 200$ at 100NL).
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Umm... no there isn't.
Each loss is 200bb.
Absolutely no difference.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:38 pm GMT by MilkyPirate
| Skribbles wrote: | | MilkyPirate wrote: | (there is a big difference between losing 20$ at 10NL than 200$ at 100NL).
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Umm... no there isn't.
Each loss is 200bb.
Absolutely no difference. |
Sorry, I should've clarified myself. Poker wise there is no difference between the two cause of BB's but "money wise" it's a lot easier to handle losing 20$ than 200$. All I meant to say with regards to limits is that sometimes what stakes you play can give you a better read on the situation (ie: more loose aggression at lower limits), but it should still not deter you from making correct decisions (since poker is about correct decision making...and a lot of other things too).
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:54 pm GMT by Skribbles
| MilkyPirate wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: | | MilkyPirate wrote: | (there is a big difference between losing 20$ at 10NL than 200$ at 100NL).
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Umm... no there isn't.
Each loss is 200bb.
Absolutely no difference. |
Sorry, I should've clarified myself. Poker wise there is no difference between the two cause of BB's but "money wise" it's a lot easier to handle losing 20$ than 200$. All I meant to say with regards to limits is that sometimes what stakes you play can give you a better read on the situation (ie: more loose aggression at lower limits), but it should still not deter you from making correct decisions (since poker is about correct decision making...and a lot of other things too). |
"Money wise" should make no difference. If you are worried about losing any amount of money you have in front of you, you are screwed.
Doesn't matter if it is $20, $200 or $2000. If you have it in front of you, you better be comfortable losing it.
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