Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:51 pm GMT by JackKingOff
COUNTERFEIT... is this a poker term? responses greatly appreciated
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Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:21 pm GMT by aaronw
Yes, this is a poker term. For example:
You- AT
Flop- AJT
Turn- J
Your second pair just got counterfeited. I am not sure how to explain it... sorry.
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:29 pm GMT by Det_Jimmy
I'ts more like this:
You call with 55
Flop comes:J J 6
Turn comes: 6
Now all u have is Two pair,with a 5 kicker,Your 5's are counterfeited
I belive that's right,if not I'm sure it will be corrected.
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:35 pm GMT by supafrey
you're both right
Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:02 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Would it be odd if someone tried to use the word (for its poker meaning) in a non-poker related context?
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:13 am GMT by mindgame
Actually these aren't the best of examples: it's typically used in reference to a straight or straight draw, or, less commonly , a flush.
You've got J9.
Flop is T87.
If the turn is a 9 you're hand got counterfieted. You now must split the pot with any J and you'll lose, of course, to a JQ. Naturally the most horrible of cf's is when that J rivers.
On occasion someone flopping a flush will say his hand's been counterfitted when a fourth of the suit hits and he loses to a lone high card of the suit.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:15 am GMT by JackKingOff
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | Would it be odd if someone tried to use the word (for its poker meaning) in a non-poker related context? |
IM THINKING YES... and im willing to be 100$ on it 
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:48 am GMT by aaronw
| mindgame wrote: | Actually these aren't the best of examples: it's typically used in reference to a straight or straight draw, or, less commonly , a flush.
You've got J9.
Flop is T87.
If the turn is a 9 you're hand got counterfieted. You now must split the pot with any J and you'll lose, of course, to a JQ. Naturally the most horrible of cf's is when that J rivers.
On occasion someone flopping a flush will say his hand's been counterfitted when a fourth of the suit hits and he loses to a lone high card of the suit. |
Its the same thing, just a different example.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:13 am GMT by mindgame
At least as it's used among those I play with, it's not really the same thing. The phrase (current usage in midwest games) implies that a nuts or near-nuts hand has now lost that edge because your opponents caught a card on the board that's already in your hand--that's the counterfiet part. That's why it's not normally used in the context of a flush: the implicit understanding is not so much that it was your suit the guy caught, but the denomination.
As a further illustration, say someone flops 7JT his TJ. His opponent has AA. If a seven hits the turn the JT is pretty sure he's beat, but the term counterfiet isn't used for the situation, even though the opponent made a better version of the hand. The idea of the same denomination seems to be essential.
However, Man Law, at least at point, has not ruled on this.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:00 pm GMT by aaronw
| mindgame wrote: | At least as it's used among those I play with, it's not really the same thing. The phrase (current usage in midwest games) implies that a nuts or near-nuts hand has now lost that edge because your opponents caught a card on the board that's already in your hand--that's the counterfiet part. That's why it's not normally used in the context of a flush: the implicit understanding is not so much that it was your suit the guy caught, but the denomination.
As a further illustration, say someone flops 7JT his TJ. His opponent has AA. If a seven hits the turn the JT is pretty sure he's beat, but the term counterfiet isn't used for the situation, even though the opponent made a better version of the hand. The idea of the same denomination seems to be essential.
However, Man Law, at least at point, has not ruled on this. |
What would you call this then?
According to the glossary on this site, counterfeited: A verb that describes when two higher pair on the board reduces a pocket pair to nothing.
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:17 pm GMT by BMiller1980
I have heard the term used differently.
my definition is: Drawing to an out that would not give you the best hand. Your outs are considered to be counterfeited.
Maybe thats the same thing you all are saying though 
Posted Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:56 pm GMT by JackKingOff
lets say something happened like a bad day and that was because of an event.. can u say that bad day counterfeited that bad event
Posted Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:27 pm GMT by weirdofreek
| JackKingOff wrote: | | lets say something happened like a bad day and that was because of an event.. can u say that bad day counterfeited that bad event |
I guess you could but why would you want to?
Posted Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:06 pm GMT by JackKingOff
me and leafs had an argument on whether it made sense in that context... JUST WONDERING???
Posted Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:09 am GMT by crack
It may have started out as you said mindgame, but it's commonly used now to mean the same as what the other two said.
Let's not get all anal about definitions of the word.
All the examples are correct.
Posted Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:29 pm GMT by snoogins47
It basically means that one/both of the cards you hold have been made worthless by the next board card.
Personally, I think I see it used most in Omaha. A2, board is 45J, turn 2. Ow. If you had A23, you're said to be 'counterfeit protected' or something along those lines. Typically, it's either when one of your cards is made worthless because that card has been duplicated on the board (in the low example, or the straight example) or because another card on the board has been duplicated, in the two-pair cases.
So yeah, pretty much all of them are correct.
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