Posted Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:45 pm GMT by Phil14312
Hand 2:
After Hand 1 from Hollywood Park. 3/5 NL, buyin $200.
I have 5s6s in SB
Hero: ~650
MP1: $400 Reads: not a strong player, thinks I’m a maniac
MP2: Covers
MP1 open-raises to $20, 3 callers, I call.
Flop: 5 6 10, 2 clubs
I check, MP1 bets $25, MP2 hems and haws, its clear he doesn’t have a very good hand but convinced himself to call, probably with 2 overs.
I raise to $125.
Comments, please keep in mind Hand 1 and my table image.
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Posted Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:58 pm GMT by supafrey
yeah thats fine + standard
Posted Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:42 pm GMT by raisebot
| Phil14312 wrote: | Hand 2:
After Hand 1 from Hollywood Park. 3/5 NL, buyin $200.
I have 5s6s in SB
Hero: ~650
MP1: $400 Reads: not a strong player, thinks I’m a maniac
MP2: Covers
MP1 open-raises to $20, 3 callers, I call.
Flop: 5 6 10, 2 clubs
I check, MP1 bets $25, MP2 hems and haws, its clear he doesn’t have a very good hand but convinced himself to call, probably with 2 overs.
I raise to $125.
Comments, please keep in mind Hand 1 and my table image. |
I'd probably raise a little bit more than making it $125.
Figuring pot size, the one problem I see with "only" making it $125, is if by some chance MP2 is on a flush draw, the problem is, is if MP1 calls, then MP2 will have the right price to pay for his flush draw..
preflop-
$20 bet, + 3 callers, + yourself, = $100
flop-
$25 bet, MP2 call, + your "call" (figure your call is part of the pot before your raise), = $175 pot
now factor in your additional $100 raise-
Say MP1 calls- now there's $375 in the pot
So it would "only" cost MP2 an extra $100, if he was on a flush or straight draw, and he has position for the rest of the hand.
You likely have the best however you're still vulnerable.
I say make it $175 on the flop.
Posted Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:49 pm GMT by Jauron
| raisebot wrote: | | Phil14312 wrote: | Hand 2:
After Hand 1 from Hollywood Park. 3/5 NL, buyin $200.
I have 5s6s in SB
Hero: ~650
MP1: $400 Reads: not a strong player, thinks I’m a maniac
MP2: Covers
MP1 open-raises to $20, 3 callers, I call.
Flop: 5 6 10, 2 clubs
I check, MP1 bets $25, MP2 hems and haws, its clear he doesn’t have a very good hand but convinced himself to call, probably with 2 overs.
I raise to $125.
Comments, please keep in mind Hand 1 and my table image. |
I'd probably raise a little bit more than making it $125.
Figuring pot size, the one problem I see with "only" making it $125, is if by some chance MP2 is on a flush draw, the problem is, is if MP1 calls, then MP2 will have the right price to pay for his flush draw..
preflop-
$20 bet, + 3 callers, + yourself, = $100
flop-
$25 bet, MP2 call, + your "call" (figure your call is part of the pot before your raise), = $175 pot
now factor in your additional $100 raise-
Say MP1 calls- now there's $375 in the pot
So it would "only" cost MP2 an extra $100, if he was on a flush or straight draw, and he has position for the rest of the hand.
You likely have the best however you're still vulnerable.
I say make it $175 on the flop. |
Not if we're only letting him see one card for that price... and if I am him I'm considering that strongly before I put anymore money into the pot. He's 1 in 3 if he get to see both the turn and the river, not just the turn.
I like the play and the amount personally and would probably look to push on the turn if it looks like a brick. Villian #1 has me a little nervous though, that sure was a small follow up bet.
Posted Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:07 am GMT by raisebot
| Jauron wrote: |
Not if we're only letting him see one card for that price... and if I am him I'm considering that strongly before I put anymore money into the pot. He's 1 in 3 if he get to see both the turn and the river, not just the turn.
I like the play and the amount personally and would probably look to push on the turn if it looks like a brick. Villian #1 has me a little nervous though, that sure was a small follow up bet. |
I'd also absolutely be looking to push on the turn as well, the only problem is, is what would now be considered a brick on the turn?
Any card from a deuce through a nine would put the possibility of a straight on board (other than a 5 or 6, in which case, there's really no worries).
Any club puts a flush on board.
With MP1's initial 4 bet preflop, that could be just about anything, from a high connector (J 10, Q J, K Q, A K), to an overpair (jacks through aces, possibly even pocket 10's). So now, any card above a 10 is dangerous as well. A 10 itself is also bad, as it would counterfeit hero's 2nd pair to someone's overpair, or someone holding a single 10 as well.
So hero remains very vulnerable to pretty much any card, especially with 2 other people still yet to act.
The check-raise is a given; definitely the right play. But being in early position, it's going to be difficult to play the remainder of the hand confidently unless a 5 or 6 hits the turn.
I would be glad I hit the flop as strong as he did, and try to take the pot down right then and there, no sense in giving someone (or both of them) odds to take another card for a borderline fair price, especially being out of position. If there was only 1 other person in the hand, then absolutely making it $125 is a fair raise, because you don't have to worry about the 2nd player getting odds if the 1st player calls.
Curious how the hand played out. 
Posted Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:40 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I think the play is fine, as would raising even a little more than that to cut down the implied odds if the first guy calls you.
Some would say you should wait for the turn to do this, but against two players, I want to make a big raise on the flop and probably settle it here. If they have a draw, you're likely forcing them to a decision for all their chips, which you can easily call--and if they fold, that's fine, too.
So I agree with the raise, and any raise that puts them to a push-or-fold decision is probably equally good.
Posted Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:39 pm GMT by Phil14312
My read was the MP2 was folding like 99.9% of the time to my raise. There is no way he hems and haws like that with a flush draw.
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