How big of a bankroll would you need for $5-$10 No Limit? |
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Posted Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:34 pm GMT by Implied_Odds
500 x's the big blind in Limit would be good but is that true for No Limit too? Would $5000 be enough to out last the down swings of Hold Em? What do you think?
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Posted Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:42 pm GMT by zinn0
5k is five buyins. You would need a lot more than that. Like, 20k or so.
Posted Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:12 pm GMT by MasterMike
im no expert, but 5k sounds way too small.
I wouldnt feel good about using that much with a bank roll smaller than at least 25k.
I think the rule of thumb is never play with more than 10% of your BR at one time, but if the money was that steep, i would probably halve the 10%. You can blow through that very fast especially if you are on a dry streak, thats why i would be particularly cautious.
Posted Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:16 pm GMT by Skribbles
$1.5K
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:26 am GMT by cayouche
20-30x the buy-in, so you do the math.
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:24 am GMT by supafrey
for nl1k I'd recommend a minimum of 50k.
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:15 am GMT by Poto
| supafrey wrote: | | for nl1k I'd recommend a minimum of 50k. |
Same here, and I'm pretty sure most of the grinders have even more than that.
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:24 am GMT by shorn7
This is my bread and butter game right now and my bankroll is slightly higher than what supa suggests. That being said, I think if you are careful in your game selection, you can get away with a slightly smaller amount (say $30k) IF AND ONLY IF you are a significant favorite each time you sit down.
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:42 am GMT by cayouche
| shorn7 wrote: | | This is my bread and butter game right now and my bankroll is slightly higher than what supa suggests. That being said, I think if you are careful in your game selection, you can get away with a slightly smaller amount (say $30k) IF AND ONLY IF you are a significant favorite each time you sit down. |
Yeah, if this is your bread and butter, you need to have a higher BR, since you just can't afford to go bust.
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm GMT by Implied_Odds
Maybe I should start with 1-2 No Limit. Do you think a $5k-$10k bankroll would be enough for 1-2? What is the max buyin for 1-2? 200-250?
Oh, and 1-2 would be played different than 5-10 ya think. Blind Stealing is a bigger factor in 5-10 than 1-2, right? Also, there should be more calling stations in 1-2? What do think? Any advice? Thanks.
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:55 pm GMT by Jauron
5k is plenty for $1-$2 IMO. The buy in is typically 100* the BB although that isn't always the case.
The amount of the blinds shouldn't dictate your desire to steal blinds, it should be a reflection on the blinds willingness to give them up without a fight in a live game. You don't have to worry about beating the blinds since you are playing with deep stacks.
I won't comment much on the stakes and skill issue. I will say I think it's a mistake to assume stakes = skill and leave it at that.
Posted Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:55 pm GMT by supafrey
stakes does mean skill.
anyways.
for 1/2 at the standard 200 buyin, 5k would probably be fine for most players.
At 5/10 atleast 50k. There's a difference in games.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:19 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
I usually advocate playing well within your bankroll, however, sometimes you just have to take a gamble.
If a player suddenly finds himself with a vastly larger than usual bankroll, say for example he wins a couple of big tourneys and finds himself with $20-25K in his pocket... I have no objection to him taking $15K of that and taking a shot at a higher limit than he usually plays, like $5/$10 NL
I think most of the "top" onlline players have taken a risk like this at some time or another, some succeed, some fail, but you never know unless you try.
I've also got to add that I've known a few players who have taken their entire bankroll to the table and gone bust on an "unbeatable hand" I don't recommend this! But if you have a couple buy ins, with some back to take a step down again... then sure, why not?
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:15 am GMT by Jauron
| supafrey wrote: | stakes does mean skill.
anyways.
At 5/10 atleast 50k. There's a difference in games. |
Proof?
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:01 pm GMT by supafrey
Just about 300k hands worth of experience, and the sentiments of any regular 5/10nl player.
5/10nl is pretty much one of the most creative and player-dependant levels I've ever seen. Every MSNL/HSNL player on 2+2 took part in a poll where people from those stakes recommended a minimum BR level for those stakes. EVERY single 5/10+ winner recommended between 50k and 100k for the game.
It is very, very hard.
.5/1, and 1/2 are a joke. 2/4 is easily still beaten by a 15/10 or 20/15 grinder. 5/10 isn't as easy.
To ignore the skill difference between the stake levels would only negatively serve any player.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:16 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| supafrey wrote: | | a 15/10 or 20/15 grinder. |
What exactly are those numbers signifying?
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:31 pm GMT by Gunslinger
I believe he's talking about Poker Tracker stats of VP$IP/PFR. The first is the percentage of hands that you Voluntarily put $ in the Pot, the second is the percentage of hands that you do a Pre-Flop Raise. 15/10 and 20/15 are both TAG stats.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:36 pm GMT by supafrey
yes yes. =)
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:00 pm GMT by Jauron
I missquoted, I did not mean to question the bankroll part only the stakes = skill portion.
I have no problem with saying a 5/10 game is going to be harder on the whole than a 1/2 game. I can admit that you are more likely to find more quality players there. I have a problem however with just assigning skill to stakes as if players graduated or bad players are forcibly kept from these games.
In the end it still comes down the players on the tables. To have a mindset that any game below a certain stake is only full of bad players is a poor decision IMO. Maybe it wasn't your intention but it seems to me that you are suggesting that by mearly sitting down at the table you've been assigned skill or the lack of it.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:04 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| Gunslinger wrote: | | I believe he's talking about Poker Tracker stats of VP$IP/PFR. The first is the percentage of hands that you Voluntarily put $ in the Pot, the second is the percentage of hands that you do a Pre-Flop Raise. 15/10 and 20/15 are both TAG stats. |
Thanks.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:32 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I haven't played 1kNL, probably never will but from what I'm told by people I've talked to who have played it and from reading forums the general agreement seems to be that it is madly more aggressive than the steps in stakes below, and that going from mid stakes to 1kNL is probably the biggest skill-leap you'll have to cross in an NL career.
If my 0.02 cents are worth anything without personal experience, I dunno and don't really care.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:18 pm GMT by J279
I feel Tame speaks a lot of truth and his English is far superior to my Norwegian!
Posted Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:11 am GMT by groton
Well Iv never played 5/10NL
I can say that there is going be at least two or three just rich guys who want to have fun and risk money at that level so skill wont be 100Times bigger then 1/2Nl or more Likely 2/5NL which i realy should play more of its so soft at foxwoods
Posted Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:07 pm GMT by jimmer
| groton wrote: | | I can say that there is going be at least two or three just rich guys who want to have fun and risk money at that level so skill wont be 100Times bigger then 1/2Nl or more Likely 2/5NL |
I think this is a very good point. At Most levels, you're gonna find players who have more money than skill.
However, I don't think this should be a factor in deciding which level to play at. Of course you could get lucky and find a couple of players on your table who don't have the experience to match the stakes their playing. But I'm guessing, IN GENERAL, if the stakes are higher, the standard (on the whole) is higher. (although I have no proof other than experience, to back this claim)
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