Talk about getting 'Hit with the Deck'... 4/8 Limit |
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Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:48 am GMT by raisebot
After a lousy day of playing online and tilting off a few hundred playing SNG's and some 2/3 NL on Bodog, I decided to just relax, drink a few beers, and play a live $25 + a single $10 rebuy midnight tourney at a local casino (Fiesta Rancho). Well as luck would have it, I pick up pocket Aces UTG the very first hand, and lose my entire stack to someone that flopped a set of 10's. I take my single rebuy, and lose it all on my SB with AQh, vs K9.
So I leave, and go to another local casino (Santa Fe Station), to play a little 4/8. The 4/8 game there is always very loose and wild and it's a half kill game. I figured I'd buy-in for $100, if I lose it, then I'll go home.
So I wait about a half hour for my seat, and as I'm waiting I watch the game. Extremely loose, but a shitload of money on the table. One guy I know, a horrible player, has a rack of red ($500), and 2 racks of white in front of him. Another player has 4 racks of white, someone else has 3 racks, and everyone else has anywhere from $30 up to 2 racks. So the game is juicy, and they're gambling it up. I finally get my seat, and buy-in for a rack.
I fold about the first 3 hands preflop, then on my BB I pick up A9c. It gets raised preflop, I call, theres about 5 others in that call as well and also see the flop. Flop A93 rainbow. I check, waiting to CR, but everyone else also checks. Turn another 3. I bet, 3 callers. River another 9, I bet, someone raises, I reraise, 2 callers, and I take it down. Next hand, in my SB, I call 3 bets preflop with 10/7o, flop is something like Q74, I come out with a bet, it gets raised, I call it down, and somehow manage to take down the pot with my pair of 7's. Next hand, its my button, and also a kill-pot. I pick up Q2c, and make a flush on the turn, taking down another one, even though the board pairs on the river.
That was just the beginning of one of the most insane rushes I ever went on in a limit game. I pick up a few KQ's, I raise preflop every time, and always flop either a K or a Q and take it down.
Bottom line, I played for not longer than 1 hour tops, and cashed out $753. So $653 profit, in 1 hour, playing 4/8 limit. Unreal. 
So I'm sorta glad I busted out of the tourney early, if I hadn't, then I might not have even bothered playing the cash game. I felt like a super low-budget version of Jamie Gold. 
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Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:16 am GMT by MasterShake
I know. My buddy's been on a hell of a streak down at Foxwoods. Two of his last four trips down he's cashed out 1600 playing 5/10 limit with a full kill and 800 playing 4/8 limit with no kill. Unreal.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:51 am GMT by arras
I had the exact opposite experience last night at 4/8.  I couldn't buy a pot last night. Everytime I folded a draw it hit, everytime I chased a draw it missed.
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:07 pm GMT by JackKingOff
Whats a "kill"?
Posted Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:00 pm GMT by raisebot
| JackKingOff wrote: | | Whats a "kill"? |
It's when the stakes get raised according to certain qualifiers-
For example, in Omaha Hi/Low split, the qualifier would usually be a "scoop" (a player winning both the hi and low pots in the same hand), and the pot reaching a predetermined amount.
In Hold em, it becomes a kill if the same player wins at least 2 or more hands in a row, also with the pot reaching a certain amount. When the player loses, the stakes reset back to normal. This is tracked by a button in front of the player that won the previous hand. When the player wins his first pot, the button is flipped to the side where it either says "Leg up", or "1st pot"; when he then wins the next pot, the button is flipped over to where it says "Kill" or "half-kill"
A half kill is when the stakes get raised 1.5x the limit you're playing. A full kill is when the stakes double. So in a 4/8 game, if you're playing a half kill, the stakes would raise to 6/12 for the kill pot; and in a full kill game the stakes would be raised to 8/16.
Don't confuse kill buttons with "overs" buttons, that is something totally different.
Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:44 pm GMT by lwestatbus
Thanks to JackKingOff for the question and to raisebot for the explanation. I was wondering the same thing while reading the (cool) post and remember seeing kill buttons included in sets of dealer buttons and other poker accessories.
How do you know if a card room has a Kill policy? Are they usually prominently posted or do you have to read the house rules? If the kill takes effect for a hand is the big blind doubled for that hand? (That would kind of suck for whoever is stuck in the BB.)
Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:51 pm GMT by Dave B
It is posted and is sometime just for certain stakes-not the entire room.
The blind is not doubled.
Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:08 pm GMT by raisebot
Usually, let's say you're just playing a normal 4/8 game, and want it to be a kill game, just ask the dealer if it's possible for it to be made a kill game; and most of the time the dealer or floorperson will then take a vote at the table. If anyone objects, even just 1 person, then generally the game wont be changed to a kill. But if everyone agrees, usually they'll permit the game to be changed to a kill game.
One other thing regarding kill-pots:
When the player wins 2 in a row and its now a kill pot, the player who won the 2 in a row is now forced to put in the kill amount before getting his cards. It's basically just a forced blind, and that player acts last, unless the action is raised before it reaches him. So for example, lets say its a 4/8 with a half kill game. For arguments sake, the button is in seat #1, and the player that won 2 in a row is in seat #6. Seat 2 would be the normal SB, thus putting up $2. Seat #3 is the BB, putting up $4. And Seat #6 has the kill button, so he must put up $6. Now for seat #4 to limp in, it will cost him $6, if he wants to raise, he'd make it $12. If seats #4 or #5 just limps in or folds, the action will pass by seat #6 (the player with the kill button), since he has last option (he'd have his option after the BB in seat #2 acts). If either seat #4 or #5 raises, then seat #6 on the kill would act in turn as normal. These rules apply preflop only; once the flop is out everything goes in turn as normal.
It might sound confusing but it really isn't once you've played a kill game once or twice.
Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:30 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Nice post, raisebot. Those nights are so nice yet, sadly, so rare.
The planets must've been aligned last night because I had a night very similar to yours except it was a NL homegame. It was a new group of folks, so I didn't know how anyone played except the hubby. I started off the night with $40 and the blinds were $1/2 (don't ask me why they play those blinds with such a small buy-in). The first hand, I folded and then 2 other players showed so we split to 2 tables of 6.
First hand after the split, I'm CO with T8o and 3 limpers in front. BB min-raises and 2 playes call, so I call. I was thinking before I got there that I would play a lot of trash and make a $40 investment with hopes that they would invite me to return figuring I was clueless.
Flop is 8K4 rainbow. BB bets $4, all but one call behind. I had heard this guy being called a bully before the game started so I figured him to be a bettor and making a continuation bet. I call. The turn is another 8. Nice! BB bets $8, 1 player calls, I call. River is a 2. BB fires for $14, other player folds. I push. He calls. I flop over my trip 8's & he shakes his head and mucks. For the rest of the night I could not miss except when I got AK, AQ and AJ. QQ was the only pp I got and everyone folded to my preflop raise. They also folded if I bet out when an 8 hit the board. I turned my $40 "investment" into $185. What a great night to play complete trash and have it work in my favor.
Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:42 pm GMT by raisebot
Nights like those are so beautiful, yet like you said, so rare; so you just have to make the most of it when it does happen.
There's nothing quite like when that happens in a casino, & you find yourself playing every single hand, knowing you'll have the nuts by the turn every hand. The nasty comments and dirty looks people give you when you call a 5 bet preflop with 6/3o, and then take down a monster pot makes it all worth it.
Posted Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:37 am GMT by BeerWench13
| raisebot wrote: | | The nasty comments and dirty looks people give you when you call a 5 bet preflop with 6/3o, and then take down a monster pot makes it all worth it. |
Absolutely. The worst is being on the other end and watching your big hands go to hell in a handbasket when someone else is the luckbox for the evening. Usually that's the situation in which I find myself. It was so nice to be the opposite if only for one night.
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