SNG Bubble situation- Would YOU check this down? |
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Posted Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:32 am GMT by raisebot
This occured to me about a week ago, was kind of awkward when it happened, but I'm confident I did the right thing.
Was playing a $55 SNG on Bodog. Got down to 4 players, when the following situation occured.
I'm chipleader on the button with approx 5000 in chips. SB is microstack and has about 200 in chips, barely more than the SB (blinds were 150/300). BB is 2nd chipleader with a little more than 3000 in chips, and UTG has about 1600 or so.
Blinds 150/300
UTG folds
I get J9o, I limp, knowing the SB is likely to call for less than the BB, thus being all-in. I truly have every intention of playing this "right"; checking it down to hopefully knock out the SB, unless I hit a monster. BB checks, and we go to the flop.
Flop J 7 5, not sure about the suit orientation, but I know I didn't have any flush draw, and there was at least 2 different suits on board.
BB checks, then blatantly says in the chat window, "Check it down so we knock him out. I'm open-ended"
So, knowing I was in the lead, I pushed. 
And he actually called, showing 6 8
The rest of the hand is irrelevant, but if you'd really care to know how this turned out, then I'll tell you.
Was I at "fault" by betting here?
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Posted Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:13 am GMT by KingOHearts
A. you improved
B. villian is wrong for discussing the hand in that way
Posted Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:33 am GMT by Muck
| KingOHearts wrote: | | B. villian is wrong for discussing the hand in that way |
Indeed. You’re both aloud to think it and use that strategy but if you’re going to discuss it openly it’s just team play. Where does it end?
I’d have checked it down just in case he was lying. E.g. I have friends who’d say stuff like that if they were holding a high PP. I blame Caro books 
Posted Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:26 am GMT by raisebot
Absolutely he was wrong to discuss it, but I personally didn't.
I really did believe him though; because it felt natural that that's what he would be thinking, I mean, that's what I would be thinking if I was open ended in that situation. If he flopped a monster, he'd be more likely to bet it outright.
Anyway, the All-in shortstack SB had pocket Kings. The straight never came, and the player on the straight draw was the one who got knocked out on the bubble, Kings took down a tiny main pot, and I took down a huge side pot. Talk about a little justice. If the player on the draw would have just kept his mouth shut, I likely would have just checked; but since he gave away his hand strength I bet it out since I felt I was in the lead. The player with the Kings was in critical shape regardless of taking down the small pot and surviving, yet he still wound up cashing because of the other player's stupidity.
Chalk one up for the good guys!
Posted Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:34 pm GMT by Gunslinger
Awesome justice for someone blatantly breaking the rules. 
Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:49 am GMT by MrDarling
I would never have checked an improved hand in this situation. There is already a side pot. SB stack is soo small that I do not really care if he stays a round longer or not.
I will try to get some more chips out of BB though, so unless I'm sure he calls a push, I'll probably put value bets in.
Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:22 am GMT by TheSalche
I only dislike betting here when you have air and no chance at beating the SB
as played you did it fine, regardless of what the BB said
Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:31 am GMT by cayouche
I see many situations where people think it's a GOLDEN rule to check down the all-in guy.
IMO, there's nothing wrong in betting an improved hand, let alone if you think you're ahead. In that situation, just the side pot was worth taking a shot. You won more even if you lost the hand.
Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:10 pm GMT by aaronw
| cayouche wrote: | I see many situations where people think it's a GOLDEN rule to check down the all-in guy.
IMO, there's nothing wrong in betting an improved hand, let alone if you think you're ahead. In that situation, just the side pot was worth taking a shot. You won more even if you lost the hand. |
I think the unwritten rule is more of not betting into a dry side pot for no reason. Most people just don't realize that they aren't really bluffing to achieve anything (except to knock out the remaining player).
Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:11 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| aaronw wrote: | | Most people just don't realize that they aren't really bluffing to achieve anything (except to knock out the remaining player). |
Or to lose the hand.
I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.
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