Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:39 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Give me thoughts on the betting etc guys, curiious to whether this badly played or well played. Go.
PokerStars Game #7302863498: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2006/12/04 - 20:33:48
(ET)
Table 'Psyche II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: yanthekid ($533.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab ($249.55 in chips)
Seat 3: idonno123 ($432.60 in chips)
Seat 4: $imm0n$ ($452.80 in chips)
Seat 5: testndeca ($406 in chips)
Seat 6: yellowsub86 ($394 in chips)
idonno123: posts small blind $2
$imm0n$: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab  
testndeca: folds
yellowsub86: folds
yanthekid: folds
Neab: calls $4
idonno123: folds
$imm0n$: checks
*** FLOP ***   
$imm0n$: checks
Neab: bets $8
$imm0n$: calls $8
*** TURN *** 
$imm0n$: checks
Neab: bets $12
$imm0n$: calls $12
*** RIVER *** 
$imm0n$: checks
Neab: bets $16
$imm0n$: raises $49 to $65
Neab: folds
$imm0n$ collected $79 from pot
$imm0n$: doesn't show hand
Neab leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $82 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: yanthekid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Neab (button) folded on the River
Seat 3: idonno123 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: $imm0n$ (big blind) collected ($79)
Seat 5: testndeca folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: yellowsub86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:18 pm GMT by aaronw
I would have raised PF there. What is with the open limp on the button? Do you do that alot? Do you have any reads on the player? Is this how he would play a flush draw? I don't see him checking the river to you with a flush. However, I am not sure if I see him check raising as a bluffing here on th river either. I like your bet size on the flop and turn. I think the river is a tough decision. Sorry I can't really think of anything else at the moment.
Posted Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:50 pm GMT by Jauron
**EDIT** While I learn how to read.
I don't hate the limp on the button, but I'm probably going to raise that more often than not if I'm first to enter the pot on the button. I might play too aggresively with the button, I don't need much to raise it up in this spot.
Posted Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:00 am GMT by aaronw
| Jauron wrote: | Only real problem I have is betting the river, over card and the flush just got there. Usually enough to make me check behind a guy who keeps checking and calling especiallly in an unraised pot unless I think it's the only way I can win, but your bet size makes me think you figured you were pricing in something?
I don't hate the limp on the button, but I'm probably going to raise that more often than not if I'm first to enter the pot on the button. I might play too aggresively with the button, I don't need much to raise it up in this spot. |
In case you didn't realize or misread the hand, OP hit two pair on the river.
Posted Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:10 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I suppose you could possibly check behind on the river, but I think villain can probably call $16 with a lot of hands you win against here.
I think the play was fine and pretty standard all the way through. I can't see any drastically different ways to play the hand, other than checking the river, but I think we leave money on the table by automatically checking here. I think i probably play it about the same. Good pot control.
Limp on the button is fine, raising would be fine also depending on the table.
Posted Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:14 am GMT by shorn7
Looks fine to me except I probably check the river despite making my two pair. The key here is that my hand can't stand a raise and therefore the betting value declines. I fold to his all-in CR too and am hitting myslef for betting the river.
Posted Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:18 am GMT by Jauron
| aaronw wrote: | | Jauron wrote: | Only real problem I have is betting the river, over card and the flush just got there. Usually enough to make me check behind a guy who keeps checking and calling especiallly in an unraised pot unless I think it's the only way I can win, but your bet size makes me think you figured you were pricing in something?
I don't hate the limp on the button, but I'm probably going to raise that more often than not if I'm first to enter the pot on the button. I might play too aggresively with the button, I don't need much to raise it up in this spot. |
In case you didn't realize or misread the hand, OP hit two pair on the river. |
Ah I did misread the hand... I must be tired.
Posted Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:19 am GMT by Ciso_B
I can understand your worry shorn, but I felt for $16 there was hands out there that can call that I beat. And , I know I can fold to the re raise if he c/rs . In the past Ive checked often in that spot and realised I should have value bet after.
Posted Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:21 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Ciso_B wrote: | | I can understand your worry shorn, but I felt for $16 there was hands out there that can call that I beat. And , I know I can fold to the re raise if he c/rs . In the past Ive checked often in that spot and realised I should have value bet after. |
My thoughts exactly.
Posted Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:06 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
Would villain really check a flush to you though? He's gotta feel if you have a single pair or something like that, there's a good chance you'll check behind. He's gotta have you on something like a set or a 3-bullet bluff to try this no?
Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:12 am GMT by gumbie
Am I the only person that thinks making a miserable bet on the river planning to fold to a raise is awful?
Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:58 am GMT by MrDarling
Does everybody fold here?
OP bets could have been an aggression attempts at the pot. He shows no real strength through out the hand. In fact, bets are becoming smaller and smaller and if anything, shows weakness.
Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:00 pm GMT by TheSalche
Villain has played exactly as though he has a flush draw
OP has played exactly as though he has a holding worth betting, but not calling a raise.
Villain played this hand pretty well
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