1/2 NLHE Hand for comments |
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Posted Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:12 am GMT by shorn7
Here is a hand from a buddy of mine (Hero below) where he would like feedback.
Villian is a little aggressive, pretty tight pre-flop. Did I misplay the early streets?
PokerStars Game #7318754172: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/12/05 -
22:33:40 (ET)
Table 'Bruwer II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: copperblue99 ($149.90 in chips)
Seat 2: divorcer ($197.70 in chips)
Seat 4: HoleOrphan ($145.90 in chips)
Seat 5: DearDeer ($281.25 in chips)
Seat 7: cph72 ($336.80 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO ($300.45 in chips)
Seat 9: the_main ($225.90 in chips)
Maxim10553 was removed from the table for failing to post
HoleOrphan: posts small blind $1
DearDeer: posts big blind $2
glennvotke: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO  
cph72: calls $2
HERO: calls $2
the_main: calls $2
copperblue99: raises $4 to $6
divorcer: folds
HoleOrphan: folds
DearDeer: folds
cph72: folds
Hero: calls $4
lesch joins the table at seat #3
the_main: calls $4
*** FLOP ***   
HERO: checks
the_main: bets $10
copperblue99 said, "oh man"
copperblue99: folds
HERO: calls $10
*** TURN *** 
HERO: checks
the_main: checks
*** RIVER *** 
HERO: bets $38
the_main: raises $171.90 to $209.90 and is all-in
what do you do?
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Posted Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:31 am GMT by supafrey
easy call.
cry when he shows jk.
repeat.
Posted Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:44 pm GMT by aaronw
I think you have to call here because our hand is so under represented. We check/called on the flop. The turn when check/check. And then we bet out on the river. I think we have to call here because villain could easily have a J or just think we are trying to steal the pot. I agree with supa here though that we may be shown KJ. Also, I think a fold PF is best with this hand since we are out of position. If we were in position, I would definately call, but being out of position makes hands like this a lot more difficult to play than they need to be.
Posted Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:35 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| supafrey wrote: | easy call.
cry when he shows jk.
repeat. |
As played, I concur.
I probably call the flop and opt for a stop and go by leading the turn.
He can still have a lot of hands you beat here. He might interpret your actions as you holding 7, and thinks he can get you to lay down.
Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:08 am GMT by MrSifter
i'd have re-raised heavily when he bet the $10 on the flop
yeah you may have taken less chips than you could have done, but you avoid sticky situations like the one you're in at the end
taking 10 small pots is better than losing 1 big one
Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:08 am GMT by tame_deuces
| MrSifter wrote: | i'd have re-raised heavily when he bet the $10 on the flop
yeah you may have taken less chips than you could have done, but you avoid sticky situations like the one you're in at the end
taking 10 small pots is better than losing 1 big one |
Maybe a re-raise on the flop is an ok play, but not for the reasons stated. A re-raise on the flop would be ok to make the pot bigger.
Don't adjust your poker play to what _may_ happen, adjust it to what is likely to happen.
In general, overprotecting hands with big bets is a very, very bad play which leads to losing alot of money
I'll give a brief explanation to why:
Let's assume you raise preflop, and I'm holding a pair of fours before the flop. Let's assume i have a somewhat loose image, as I sometimes do. Do you think it is more profitable for me to call your raise if you tend to bet big after the flop to 'protect' your hands, or do you think it is more profitable for me to call your raise if you bet normal amounts after the flop?
In essence, betting big to 'protect' is (usually) a horrible play, its only merit is really in deepstacked poker situations, and 100BBs doesn't even come close to that.
Betting big to 'protect' then is unprofitable for two reasons:
1.) Bloats the pot, making you a direct or indirect victim of negative implied odds (meaning some players would target you for this tendency, trying to be in pots with you, whereas most players would just happen to profit big from it without a direct plan to do so.)
2.) Loses you alot value if it leads to people folding worse hands.
So, to sum it up: We should only bet big when it is profitable to do so. (Which usually will be for value or on semi-bluffs where have ok fold equity and little implied odds).
Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:19 am GMT by MrSifter
i'm not sure i understand,
it's wrong to bet big when you've got the best hand after the flop?
i'd rather do so and take a guaranteed smaller pot
allthough i'm very new to poker and obviously still learning
i'm not saying go all-in every hand, but that's how i'd play this one
Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:44 pm GMT by suitedaces84
In poker, we keep score in chips, not pots won.
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:56 am GMT by MrDarling
JK or K's, which was it?
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:03 am GMT by MrDarling
Is this one of those my "Friend" thing or is this a split personality issues?
| shorn7 wrote: | Here is a hand from a buddy of mine (Hero below) where he would like feedback....
... Did I misplay the early streets?
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Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:07 am GMT by shorn7
No, it really was a buddy of mine. Villain showed KJ for the win. 
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:33 am GMT by Ensano
quote="MrSifter"i'm not sure i understand,
it's wrong to bet big when you've got the best hand after the flop?
i'd rather do so and take a guaranteed smaller pot
allthough i'm very new to poker and obviously still learning
i'm not saying go all-in every hand, but that's how i'd play this one/quote
What their saying is by betting big like that is that you're going to make hands that you want to call fold (ie you hold AK flop Axx and villian have A6)
and the only time you're going to get called is when you're way behind.. ie a flopped set (you AK flop A 4 x villian 44)
so you're only going to either win a small pot or lose a big one..
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:43 am GMT by golfey
well if he showed KJ at least it wasnt a bad beat  had u dominated from the get go
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:10 pm GMT by Phil14312
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | easy call.
cry when he shows jk.
repeat. |
As played, I concur.
I probably call the flop and opt for a stop and go by leading the turn.
He can still have a lot of hands you beat here. He might interpret your actions as you holding 7, and thinks he can get you to lay down. |
I love this line.
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