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What do I do here?



Posted Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:40 pm GMT by aaronw
$100NL 6 max. Villain is 14/12/4. How have I played the hand thus far? What do I on the river here?


FullTiltPoker Game #1364927432: Table Moorpoint (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:28:03 ET - 2006/12/06
Seat 1: cbboy ($144.55)
Seat 2: delavager ($124.45)
Seat 3: Maf54 ($98.50)
Seat 4: bananacatcher ($205.80), is sitting out
Seat 5: MACH302 ($28.15)
Seat 6: Ekoc ($97)
cbboy posts the small blind of $0.50
delavager posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cbboy Four of ClubsFour of Diamonds
Maf54 raises to $3.50
MACH302 folds
Ekoc folds
cbboy calls $3
delavager folds
*** FLOP *** Three of HeartsTen of ClubsAce of Spades
cbboy checks
Maf54 checks
*** TURN *** Three of HeartsTen of ClubsAce of Spades Four of Spades
cbboy bets $5
Maf54 calls $5
*** RIVER *** Three of HeartsTen of ClubsAce of SpadesFour of Spades Queen of Spades
cbboy bets $15
Maf54 raises to $50
cbboy...


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Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:15 am GMT by golfey
you look like you have played the hand fine however if it was me i would have bet on the flop and represented the ace. by giving him that free card there he has a chance to make his flush draw. There are many hands that can beat you...he may have even made a straight


although i dont know if i could see him calling that second 5 dollar bet on a pure draw....


im sorry i aint good with all this pot odds stuff so i dont know what ur value is here

id fold here. i think villan has made his flush. maybe next time the hand will go better




PS what does 14/12/4 mean?



Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:47 am GMT by TheSalche
push and see his flush?


Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:00 am GMT by BeerWench13
TheSalche wrote:
push and see his flush?

Bet more on the turn?



Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:45 pm GMT by aaronw
golfey wrote:
PS what does 14/12/4 mean?


These are the stats from Poker Tracker.

% of $ Voluntarily put in pot (ie- how many hands they play) / preflop raise percentage / aggression factor

PS- If you don't mind my asking, where is Dundee?



Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:51 pm GMT by golfey
aaronw wrote:
golfey wrote:
PS what does 14/12/4 mean?


These are the stats from Poker Tracker.

% of $ Voluntarily put in pot (ie- how many hands they play) / preflop raise percentage / aggression factor

PS- If you don't mind my asking, where is Dundee?



Its in Scotland mate



Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:16 pm GMT by TheSalche
how does he have a PFR of 12 but an aggro factor of 4?

He must be uber-aggressive post flop then.

Over how many hands are these stats ... thats just as important as any of the other numbers.



Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:32 pm GMT by aaronw
TheSalche wrote:
how does he have a PFR of 12 but an aggro factor of 4?

He must be uber-aggressive post flop then.

Over how many hands are these stats ... thats just as important as any of the other numbers.


This is over 70 hands. I don't know how he has a PFR of 12 and an aggression factor of 4.

My PFR is 13 and my aggression factor is 5.



Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:38 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I am doubting a flush here. My bet is KJ, a set, or 2 pair. Depending on your read, it is a push or fold (Or a call if u just don't know where u are at).

Him having flopped a set would seem strange. Why slow play the flop, just call the turn, and then bet big once the flush comes? QQ would be the only set I could see, unless he was just fearlessly slow playing aces or tens.



Posted Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:37 pm GMT by shorn7
I think you misplayed the turn. I would have bet more here, perhaps an overbet to find out if he wanted to play a big pot. If he did then let's get it on. I would not have led the river once the Qs comes since it completes two draws. At that point, I want a cheap showdown, so I check/call.

As played, I think you have to make a crying call here fetting better than 2-1. AQ is as real a possibility as KJ or the flush, so I don't think you can fold. A re-raise is completely out of the question in my mind...you will only get called by a hand that beats you. Not a good play.



Posted Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:10 pm GMT by aaronw
In hindsight I really should have just check called the river since a lot of draws got there. However, on the river, after his raise, I put him on 3 hands. A slowplayed set of Aces. A rivered set of Queens. Or the off chance of AQ. I just couldn't see him playing something like KJ or two spades in this manner. I let the timer run down and I thought to myself "I hope you have a messed up AQ". I call. And he turns over a rivered set of Queens. Embarassed. The only thing I think I could have done differently is check/call the river and limit my loss to probably about $20 instead of $50.


Posted Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:27 am GMT by 1988 TR
Bummer. Queens makes the most sense. I'm really pumping the turn there because people have a hard time folding an Ace when they hit it. Since he didn't have an Ace anyway, your not going to make much (he ain't calling much of a river bet). And when he does river....





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