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Posted Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:07 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
PokerStars Game #7394431083: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/11 - 03:57:44 (ET)
Table 'Kalyke' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: mkyu123 ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 2: chadwic316 ($87.65 in chips)
Seat 3: TwapperS ($88.15 in chips)
Seat 4: jalbin3 ($55.65 in chips)
Seat 5: CraigsMagic ($96.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Turn_Prophet ($113.85 in chips)
Seat 7: BALKATRAZ ($24.60 in chips)
Seat 8: Skyrre ($95 in chips)
Seat 9: BadBeatsRus2 ($109.20 in chips)
Skyrre: posts small blind $0.50
BadBeatsRus2: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
mkyu123: folds
chadwic316: folds
TwapperS: folds
jalbin3: calls $1
CraigsMagic: raises $3 to $4
Turn_Prophet: raises $5 to $9
BALKATRAZ: folds
Skyrre: folds
BadBeatsRus2: folds
jalbin3: folds
CraigsMagic: calls $5
*** FLOP ***   
CraigsMagic: checks
Turn_Prophet: bets $7.85
CraigsMagic: raises $13.15 to $21
Turn_Prophet: calls $13.15
*** TURN *** 
CraigsMagic: checks
Turn_Prophet: bets $41
Comments, critiques welcome.
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Posted Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:05 pm GMT by aaronw
I think I raise a bit more PF. To around 12 or so. I think I would be inclined to 3-bet this flop. I don't mind how you played it though. His line makes me think that he doesn't have all that much though. He raised the flop probably because he thought you had nothing or put you on AK. And then he checked the turn because he doesn't want to put anymore money in the pot. I think you are ahead here.
Posted Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:49 pm GMT by jeffonline
I think from a middle position the raise amount pre flop was fine, you did not want to scare every one away, I see the flop with a possible flush draw and the Villain willing to check call, does this mean he has AJs, or has he made trips 44, 77, these seem to be the logical hands, Twice you have asked the question and twice Villain said, I can win this, Then another spade falls on the turn danger card, also sta8 possibilities but I can’t see that in his play. I would have got more money in on the flop, but now we are passed that, the last raise by the Villain and the turn card make me want to slow down. I would have tried to check it out from here.
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:28 pm GMT by Ciso_B
I dont think its a profitable turn bet Diamond, I am assuming he doesn't lay trips if he has it. If he has AJ or QQ he folds to that bet , so there isn't any value, unless maybe he had AsJx. I vote for a check down, try and get as cheap a showdown as possible. If he isnt too creative I am assuming hes got one of 3 hands, AJ,flush or trips. 2 have you beat, the other folds.I am curious to know what he had though. And also why you decided to lead the turn after he already check riased the flop. Did you put him on Q-Q here ?
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:08 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Ciso_B wrote: | | I dont think its a profitable turn bet Diamond, I am assuming he doesn't lay trips if he has it. If he has AJ or QQ he folds to that bet , so there isn't any value, unless maybe he had AsJx. I vote for a check down, try and get as cheap a showdown as possible. If he isnt too creative I am assuming hes got one of 3 hands, AJ,flush or trips. 2 have you beat, the other folds.I am curious to know what he had though. And also why you decided to lead the turn after he already check riased the flop. Did you put him on Q-Q here ? |
I agree with you and that was my thought as soon as the hand was over. That's why I posted it.
It was the fact he checked the turn that really complicated things for me. What hands can he check on the turn after check-raising that flop? Given the preflop and flop action, I could only put him on TT-KK (AA would reraise me preflop, probably), or AK... and A  K is the only one that would make any sense after the flop. But would he check a set of Jacks to me on the turn? I rather doubt it, unless he puts me on exactly A K himself. Better yet, would he check the nut flush after hitting his perfect card and dragging me along for the ride on the flop? I didn't think so. AJ with the A and QQ were the only hands that made any sense anymore.
QQ was the hand I gave him, and given my image, I thought there was at least a decent chance he might call me down. And if he has AJ with the A , I do NOT want to give him a cheap river. I was pretty sure I had the best hand unless he had a set of Jacks... but even so, I think I went overboard.
I'll post results in a couple hours in case anyone else wants to chime in.
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:35 pm GMT by Jauron
No idea where we are here I. It's not that I don't like the turn bet, but it does commit a large portion of our stack right?
Thats probably why I lean toward checking behind and seeing if I can't get a cheap showdown or if I checks twice we make a bet on the river if we want.
I'm with you on not wanting to give a free draw, but is he going to fold the nut draw with top pair for $41 if that is what we want to put him on?
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:14 pm GMT by jeffonline
I saw the check on the turn as a possible slow play to disguise a made hand the flush “the trap” or a week play to see if you hit the flush, I could not make sense of it either that’s why I would have checked it down, I was still behind to my original feeling of AJs or 44, 77.
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:56 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Alright, looks like we're all in relative agreement...
He ended up raising all-in on the turn for like $25 more, which I had to call. River was a blank, and his hand was mucked, giving me a $192 pot. I checked the HH, he had QQ with the Q .
Although I won the hand, almost as soon as it was over, I thought I had played it very badly. My play was "good" in that I was up against the best hand for me to be up against, and the opponent's play was pretty bad, too. But it was bad in that I overextended myself with the hand I had.
1. Preflop, I could of and probably should have raised more. My opponent here could have called with JJ or 77 (44 is a little weak) profitably against me. I wanted a call, but I could have raised more for value.
2. On the flop, I probably should have 3-bet here, and I'm not too sure why I didn't.
3. His checking the turn was very odd and gave me a strong feeling I was ahead (I guess he could check the flush here, but why?), but I went a little nuts by betting so much. Checking behind would have kept the pot small, which is often the best idea with just one pair.
Thanks for the input, guys. I suspected this was a pretty bad play on my part.
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:06 pm GMT by Ciso_B
| Quote: | | Did you put him on Q-Q here ? |
Good analysis diamond, good to see a player recognise when he has made an error despite winning the pot. You can't just be results orientated obviously. Seems like you knew straight away though that maybe you could have played it a little bettter.
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