Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:46 pm GMT by aaronw
NL$100. 6 max. Villain is pretty aggressive. He is 18/15/3. How was this played? I don't feel that I played it well at all. Thanks.
FullTiltPoker Game #1398847645: Table Snorkel (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:52:55 ET - 2006/12/12
Seat 1: siouxdr ($79)
Seat 2: MSimon ($102.80)
Seat 3: pjb109 ($98)
Seat 4: La Jolla Shores ($137.80)
Seat 5: BamYeah ($103.95)
Seat 6: cbboy ($96.85)
MSimon posts the small blind of $0.50
pjb109 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cbboy  
La Jolla Shores folds
BamYeah raises to $4
cbboy calls $4
siouxdr folds
MSimon folds
pjb109 folds
*** FLOP ***   
siouxdr adds $6.70
BamYeah bets $6
cbboy raises to $17
BamYeah calls $11
*** TURN *** 
BamYeah checks
cbboy checks
*** RIVER *** 
BamYeah bets $20
cbboy has 15 seconds left to act
cbboy calls $20
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Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:09 pm GMT by JackKingOff
I would have like to seen a bet on the turn... if u were afraid of him drawing on you, but a question wat did u put him on??(cuz if u put him on a J as well...and called on the river i dont like it cuz ur kicker probably isnt good here, and if u put him on a flush or a straight draw he has probably hit and i dont like the call once again.)
However, i dont know how he has been playing therefore, ur call may have been good.
... post results l8r plz
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:59 pm GMT by zinn0
fold preflop
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:10 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| zinn0 wrote: | | fold preflop |
I disagree. JTs is a fine hand to play in position, even against a raise. However, you don't play suited connectors to flop a pair. You play them to flop two pair, a straight or straight draw, or a flush or flush draw. Inflating the pot with top pair, weak kicker is not good.
I would just call on the flop and see what happens on the turn. If he checks to you on the turn, make a bet that discourages him from drawing.
As it was played though, making such a big raise on the flop and then checking the turn is not good. If you're going to make such a big move at the pot, you should usually be willing to fire a second barrel, especially if you put him on a heart draw.
As it was played, I also fold the river. He either called you with a hand that beat you then, or a hand that beats you now.
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:34 pm GMT by aaronw
It's not that I wasn't willing to fire again on the turn, its that I was trying to keep the pot small. Maybe this was the wrong thought process. I was just trying to keep from bloating the pot with a one pair hand. And I probably should have folded on the river.
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:36 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| aaronw wrote: | | It's not that I wasn't willing to fire again on the turn, its that I was trying to keep the pot small. Maybe this was the wrong thought process. I was just trying to keep from bloating the pot with a one pair hand. And I probably should have folded on the river. |
If you were trying to keep the pot small, you blew it by making that big flop raise.
A better move would be to call the flop, which WOULD keep the pot small.
Posted Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:56 pm GMT by aaronw
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | aaronw wrote: | | It's not that I wasn't willing to fire again on the turn, its that I was trying to keep the pot small. Maybe this was the wrong thought process. I was just trying to keep from bloating the pot with a one pair hand. And I probably should have folded on the river. |
If you were trying to keep the pot small, you blew it by making that big flop raise.
A better move would be to call the flop, which WOULD keep the pot small. |
The flop raise wasn't that big though. It was only 2.5 times his bet. In hindsight, I should have called the flop and folded to a turn bet. As it was played, I should have folded the river. There is NOTHING I can beat.
Posted Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:26 am GMT by MrDarling
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | zinn0 wrote: | | fold preflop |
..I would just call on the flop and see what happens on the turn. If he checks to you on the turn, make a bet that discourages him from drawing.
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Wont most aggressive player fire another one on a cold call?
In short hand, doesn't TP raise in strength?
Posted Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:52 am GMT by shorn7
I like the preflop and flop play. However, I would have bet the turn for sure. At least then if called or raised you will know where you stand. By letting villain see the river for free, you allowed him to potentially catch up with the heart or an overcard to your pair. When you have position, sometimes following up on the turn with a bet is the best way to save the res of your stack since you will be able to play the river more profitably.
As played, you have to call the river bet.
Posted Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:11 pm GMT by aaronw
| shorn7 wrote: | I like the preflop and flop play. However, I would have bet the turn for sure. At least then if called or raised you will know where you stand. By letting villain see the river for free, you allowed him to potentially catch up with the heart or an overcard to your pair. When you have position, sometimes following up on the turn with a bet is the best way to save the res of your stack since you will be able to play the river more profitably.
As played, you have to call the river bet. |
Why is that? I don't understand that. What hand is he betting that I beat? He is an aggressive player, but he is tight as well. I would put his range has QQ+, AKhh, AQhh. I don't think there are any hands that he is betting that I can beat except a pure bluff.
Posted Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:50 pm GMT by shorn7
My bad. I misread your hand...thought u had AJ.
I suppose you could fold the river, but your turn check indicated weakness and means that you need to call the river with a lot more hands. He could have AK, AQ, AT and be bluffing now that the scare card hit. Also, the pot is laying you pretty good odds to cal with top pair (3-1). Basically, this highlights why I suggested betting the turn...you can play the river more profitably and with more information.
Posted Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:58 pm GMT by aaronw
| shorn7 wrote: | My bad. I misread your hand...thought u had AJ.
I suppose you could fold the river, but your turn check indicated weakness and means that you need to call the river with a lot more hands. He could have AK, AQ, AT and be bluffing now that the scare card hit. Also, the pot is laying you pretty good odds to cal with top pair (3-1). Basically, this highlights why I suggested betting the turn...you can play the river more profitably and with more information. |
Wouldn't a tight player like this fold these on the flop?
Posted Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:40 am GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | | Wouldn't a tight player like this fold these on the flop? |
Not necessarily. Depends on what he thinks about you and how you play. If you routinely raise flops like this with draws and good made hands, he might come along for the ride thinking he has 6 clean outs.
Most of the time you are beat here on the river. But, the real point is that you made calling the river bet something that you have to do more often now by not betting the turn. In effect, it would cost you the same amount of $$ to bet the turn and get to check behind on the river, but you would potentially win the pot right then (on the turn), prevent villain from bluffing you on the rivber, AND get to see his hand. Now if you fold, you lose all of those things.
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