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Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:34 am GMT by MrDarling
Damn , I have problem handling these swings.
Being playing with less then optimal BR in the lowest levels my site offers.
Deposited $60 the last time around. Managed to built it up to $70 then lose most of it down to $10. And been going up and down for the last month.
My highest was $67. And now lost almost all of it in 3 hands :
First - dude was bluffing a lot we're 3 at the table. He min raise, I complete form the button with T7o
flop comes 257o - I lead, he calls
turn 6 - I bet he push and I quickly call like the dork I am. His A's hold.
2nd hand (different table) have double the buyin.
again 3-4 players in the table.
I see A's - I raise big, one caller.
flop comes 5KJo - I bet he call
Turn T - I bet he raise I push - his set of J holds
3rd hand same villain. I raise with AKo he calls
flop come 73To - he leads half pot, I call
Turn A - he lead, I call
River another A - he push, I call and his A3 kick my ass out.
I know I play bad, but I didn't think I played that bad.
First hand was a really stupid call by me - but I was actually planning to push him allin, putting him on Ax or some marginal hand like that. And I called before even thinking about it.
Hand 2 I should have recondite his raise and slow it down, not push.
Hand 3 was trying to control the pot size, and not raise when the A came (though I was behind at that point) Don't know if I could or should have gone away from it. Had him on a pp or KT or something
Now I have $8 left - seriously do not want to deposit more money into this new hobby of mine. So I have to think what to do next.
Actually thought I was starting to get the hang of it, but playing with such a small BR, losing 4X buyin can be devastated.
edit I play in Fulltil where the lowest stakes are $0.05/$0.10 ($10NL)
I'm on a mac without virtual pc and can only play on Fulltilt, Party or any other java poker. I play on Fulltilt.
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Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:43 am GMT by shorn7
Well I would argue that you played all three hands poorly. Why commit so much $$ with one pair hands? Also, why call a 1/2 size pot bet with just overs? These players all gave you indications at some point in each hand that your holding wasn't good. You need to learn to fold when folks do that.
Sorry that this sounds harsh, but you are a better player than these results. If you did some serious analysis on these three, I think you would end up agreeing.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:48 am GMT by MrDarling
| MrDarling wrote: | | ... I quickly call like the dork I am. ... |
| MrDarling wrote: | I know I play bad, but I didn't think I played THAT bad.
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I was agreeing with you even before you posted 
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:27 am GMT by cayouche
MrD.,
I've seen you play, and you're a good player IMO. However, your style of play is not fit for small limits. You play loose-aggressive, and at those limits, they will call with anything. You clearly see this in your third exemple.
#1, fold preflop. Easy fold. There's no reason to play T7o. Ever. You fell right into bluffer's trap.
#2, sometimes, you have to slow down with Aces. Think about it. You raise, he calls. What can he call with?? 73, 84, 95?? Nah... Probably face cards, wired pair, maybe suited connectors.
So, face cards?? AQ, KK, JJ, TT, KJ, KT, JT all have you beat on the turn.
Your bet on the flop was ok. When he called however, he did have something. The turn is a scare card. Now, the reflex many players have in this situation is to push the pedal to the max. However, you have to do the opposite IMO. A check/call would've been a better play.
#3, shit happens.
Now what to do?? I've seen you kick ass at SnG. Why don't you try $1 or $2 SnGs?? If you cash in a few of those, you will bounce back.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:25 pm GMT by MrDarling
Thanks for the kind words.
Recently I started with S&G and have been doing pretty good - actually back into positive ROI according to Shark S&G tracker.
And FT addition of $2 make it actually worth ones time.
I have decided to play more of those, but problem is, due to a young boy running around my legs I can't really commit to 1 hour of play that easy.
Though now I almost have no choice, its either putting all my BR in one cash game or spreading it to 4 S&G...
Ordered Sklansky low limit book (hope its not Limit only) and will take some time to ponder my situation.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:33 pm GMT by supafrey
his limit books are only limit.
he just published his NL book recently.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:37 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| MrDarling wrote: | | Ordered Sklansky low limit book (hope its not Limit only) |
If it's "Small Stakes Hold 'em," then it is a FL book. His NL book is called "NL Holdem: Theory and Practice" or something like that.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:17 pm GMT by MrDarling
Damn, don't play limit. Should have researched better before ordering it.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:22 pm GMT by MrDarling
its actually : "Small Stakes Hold 'em: Winning Big with Expert Play Paperback by Miller, ed"
Sklansky is also contributed though.
Is it NL, FL or both?
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:40 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| MrDarling wrote: | its actually : "Small Stakes Hold 'em: Winning Big with Expert Play Paperback by Miller, ed"
Sklansky is also contributed though.
Is it NL, FL or both? |
FL only.
| MrDarling wrote: | | Damn, don't play limit. Should have researched better before ordering it. |
Or, you could learn to play limit as well?
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:59 pm GMT by MrDarling
thanks for the quick reply.
Would it benefit my overall game reading this book and getting more into FL ?
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:11 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Yes, but I wouldn't necessarily make this my first FL book. Lee Jones' "Winning Low-Limit Hold'em" is probably the best place to start.
Sklansky, Malmuth and Miller HATE Jones' book, but the topics and strategies are a lot simpler and you can still win by using them. If you try to apply the stuff from the Miller book right out of the gate without some experience, you'll likely spew chips.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:36 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Try playing just AK, and pocket pairs. If you primarily try SET mining on micro stakes you could probably be in the positive.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:04 pm GMT by weirdofreek
| MrDarling wrote: | | Damn, don't play limit. Should have researched better before ordering it. |
I am a NL player as well but have his small stakes book and you can learn quite abit if you adjust some of what he says to NL. The key is to remember your reading a FL book and not try all his strategies. Just take the ones that work and adapt them and apply them to your NL game.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:09 pm GMT by TheSalche
Surprised nobody said this one yet ...
Bankroll Management #101. You are doing something wrong if you lose most of your BR in 3 hands.
Rule for NL is 10 - 20 buy-ins for your level. So you should probably be a 5NL right now, 10NL is stretching it.
NLHE is full of variance, and you need to have a big enough bankroll so that you'll be comfortable playing at the same level even when you have downswings, and/or be willing to drop down in levels when you are running badly.
Regardless of how you played those hands, sorry to be harsh, but you had really sh!tty bankroll management and its a good thing this happened to teach you that lesson.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:13 pm GMT by cayouche
| TheSalche wrote: | | Bankroll Management #101. You are doing something wrong if you lose most of your BR in 3 hands. |
Hold your horses. It's kinda hard when the lowest stake is NL10 when you have a $50 bankroll.
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:17 pm GMT by TheSalche
Pokerstars and Absolute Poker have stakes lower than that ... doesn't FTP have that as well?
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:29 pm GMT by cayouche
Nah... NL10 the smallest.
Kinda reminds me when I started on TruePoker a while back. Lowest NL table had $1-2 blinds. Pretty rough for a $20 minimum deposit. 
Posted Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:55 pm GMT by MrDarling
yep, and being on a mac make my choices very small.
If I only though I was good enough I would put 500 and jump to $25NL - but as long as I lose in $10NL I guess I'm not ready
Posted Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:47 pm GMT by Improvement
Been there, done that. Had some of those bankroll-buster sessions. My pattern is:
1. Hand: Play well, outdrawn.
2. Hand: Playing some mediocre hand too strong, gets a good looking flop and overplay something like top pair.
3. Hand: All-in with something like a coinflip.
After something like that I feel terrible. Then I go meet up with friends or watch a comedy on tv and just forget poker for a few hours. Then, a few hours later, I start playing again. 
But I played 25$ PL with 40$ bankroll, so I was basically bound to go on a rush or lose it all.
Posted Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:01 pm GMT by JMX360
I agree with TheSalche. You shouldn't be playing stakes where you would lose most of your bankroll in 3 hands. With a ~$70 bankroll, my recommendation would be $0.05/$0.10 NL, so you can take big hits like those hands you showed.
Posted Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:34 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| JMX360 wrote: | | With a ~$70 bankroll, my recommendation would be $0.05/$0.10 NL, so you can take big hits like those hands you showed. |
I agree. My bankroll has taken a few hits after I cashed out a good portion of it. The rest was lost mostly when the guys were over on the weekends, got drunk and decided that it would be fun to play a $50-$100 SNG on my account and donked it out. I'm now trying to rebuild from this (again). So, I'm playing $.05/.10 NL ring to rebuild. I'm currently sitting at ~$50. Considering that I was down to $12.50 that's not a bad comeback, but it does take patience and I'm sure that I've folded the best hand a few times along the way because I was playing higher stakes than my bankroll allowed.
I have thought about making another deposit, but I have a feeling that I'll end up in the same situation again. One of these days I'm going to learn to say no to them.
Posted Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:41 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Give Ultimate Bet a try. They have microstakes, and you can use a Mac if you have Virtual PC installed. In fact Virtual PC might enable you to use any poker site.
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