Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:47 am GMT by Ryan_j37
Here are a couple more hands that i had trouble with
PokerStars Game #7537572326: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/12/21 - 03:43:27 (ET)
Table Norma III 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: edrich ($22.80 in chips)
Seat 3: scottie360 ($33.80 in chips)
Seat 4: niveknehc ($37.25 in chips)
Seat 5: JonesTMP ($28.85 in chips)
Seat 6: messa ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Bazman76 ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Ryan_j37 ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 9: eionbb ($21.60 in chips)
Bazman76: posts small blind $0.10
Ryan_j37: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ryan_j37  
BadMoon0 has returned
eionbb: folds
edrich: folds
scottie360: calls $0.25
niveknehc: folds
JonesTMP: folds
messa: folds
Bazman76: calls $0.15
Ryan_j37: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Bazman76: bets $0.75
BadMoon0 leaves the table
CR789 joins the table at seat #2
Ryan_j37: raises $1.50 to $2.25
scottie360: calls $2.25
Bazman76: folds
*** TURN *** 
Ryan_j37: bets $3.50
scottie360: calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** 
Ryan_j37: bets $5
scottie360: raises $22.80 to $27.80 and is all-in
Ryan_j37: calls $13.90 and is all-in
Was i right to just pay him if he had a boat or should i have strongly considered folding?
PokerStars Game #7537575889: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/12/21 - 03:44:05 (ET)
Table Gormeisa III 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Ryan_j37 ($21.30 in chips)
Seat 4: messa ($30.90 in chips)
Seat 5: CaptSmith ($19.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Svensonator ($50.65 in chips)
Seat 7: donk24/7 ($6.35 in chips)
Seat 8: tilted fish ($26.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Yakshi ($25.60 in chips)
tilted fish: posts small blind $0.10
Yakshi: posts big blind $0.25
pcboi: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ryan_j37 
Ryan_j37: calls $0.25
messa: folds
CaptSmith: calls $0.25
Svensonator: folds
donk24/7: folds
tilted fish: folds
Yakshi: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Yakshi: checks
Ryan_j37: bets $0.75
CaptSmith: calls $0.75
Yakshi: folds
*** TURN *** 
Ryan_j37: bets $1.50
CaptSmith: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** 
Ryan_j37: bets $2.75
CaptSmith: raises $14.05 to $16.80 and is all-in
CaptSmith said, "thanks for the xmas gift"
CaptSmith said, "appreciate"
CaptSmith said, "it"
Ryan_j37: folds
Villian is a fairly solid to decent player and his talk makes it seem very obvious he has the flush. Hows my reasoning here?
PokerStars Game #7537568484: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/12/21 - 03:42:47 (ET)
Table Gormeisa III 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Ryan_j37 ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 4: messa ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 5: CaptSmith ($19.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Svensonator ($50.65 in chips)
Seat 7: donk24/7 ($6.45 in chips)
Seat 8: tilted fish ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Yakshi ($25.60 in chips)
donk24/7: posts small blind $0.10
tilted fish: posts big blind $0.25
pcboi: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ryan_j37  
Yakshi: folds
Ryan_j37: raises $0.75 to $1
messa: calls $1
CaptSmith: folds
Svensonator: folds
donk24/7: folds
tilted fish: folds
*** FLOP *** 
Ryan_j37: bets $1.25
messa: raises $2.75 to $4
Ryan_j37: calls $2.75
*** TURN *** 
Ryan_j37: checks
messa: bets $8
Ryan_j37: folds
Hmm, again villian is a fairly solid player. I checked the turn with the intention of c/r'ing if he made a weak bet but i folded because calling would mean putting it all in on the river.
/b
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Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:57 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Hand 1: Don't fold. Ever.
Hand 2: Good fold. I give him the flush.
Hand 3: Player dependent. If there's no way he can fail to have a Q, fold. I don't see too many other hands he can have unless he's giving you no respect. I might 3-bet the flop for information, but that could be pretty costly.
Note on Hand 3: Low Limit donkeys are notorious for making moves like this with smaller pairs and then overbetting because they are afraid you have AK and will outdraw them. I might have to pay someone off at this level. Frequently, you will still be ahead.
Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:12 pm GMT by AHBrownell
It seems like you are making some questionable bets on the turn/river when bad cards hit for your hand. For example, the 2nd hand when the flush hit... I think its better to slowdown when these cards hit because you don't want to create a big pot for when you are beat AND you won't win more money from hands you have beat because that card scared them too.
The other part of this is that you are actually drawing to outs when you are beat some of the time, so give your opponent the opportunity to make a mistake by making a small bet and letting you draw...
The alternative is to make a small bet on the turn so that you can draw cheaply.
But value betting two-pair on a flushed board on the river seems like a TERRIBLE idea to me. I just check/call there. If your opponent is solid, he will make a small bet that you can call, and some players may bluff hands you can beat here.
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:38 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| AHBrownell wrote: | | I think its better to slowdown when these cards hit because you don't want to create a big pot for when you are beat AND you won't win more money from hands you have beat because that card scared them too. |
I agree with the statement, but not the reasoning behind it. When that scare card hits on the turn, I would slow down, but only to deceive my opponent into thinking that I may have just hit my money card. If you caught the nut flush on the turn, would you bet it or check and hope someone bet it for you? I would've gone for the c/r on the turn in that hand. This way I would have more of an idea if I was beaten or I may be able to take down the pot right there if he's holding AQ, was on a straight draw or even held a weak flush. It would make it seem that you semi-bluffed the flop and nailed the turn. JMHO.
Posted Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:03 am GMT by Ryan_j37
| AHBrownell wrote: | It seems like you are making some questionable bets on the turn/river when bad cards hit for your hand. For example, the 2nd hand when the flush hit... I think its better to slowdown when these cards hit because you don't want to create a big pot for when you are beat AND you won't win more money from hands you have beat because that card scared them too.
The other part of this is that you are actually drawing to outs when you are beat some of the time, so give your opponent the opportunity to make a mistake by making a small bet and letting you draw...
The alternative is to make a small bet on the turn so that you can draw cheaply.
But value betting two-pair on a flushed board on the river seems like a TERRIBLE idea to me. I just check/call there. If your opponent is solid, he will make a small bet that you can call, and some players may bluff hands you can beat here. |
Yea i understand your point. But say i check that river and i get pushed at, This is a difficult spot as he could be bluffing a hand that i beat or simply trying to make his flush look like a bluff.
Posted Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:05 pm GMT by BBQSquirrel
Geez why are you playing with those guys? Svensonator, tilted fish and Yakshi all know very well what they are doing, Yakshi is super tight and Captsmith is also a reasonably regular.
Posted Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:33 am GMT by shorn7
Hand #1: Getting 3-1 to call here, quit poker if you fold this.
Hand #2: Could be a bluff by villain, but bad pot odds and smarmy chatter seem fishy. Too many ways that you are beaten to call, so good laydown.
Hand #3: Very villain dependent. He could have raised the flop with a smaller pp or complete air putting you on AK or a hand without a Queen and he could be representing on the turn as part of a multi-street bluff. This one is tough and really comes dow to your read...sometimes I call and sometimes I fold.
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