Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:31 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Just started Full Tilt, after 2 days it seems like everyone limps premium hands,and they are all calling stations.
Is this the way it is?
I"m playing 25NL and have dropped 3 buyins already
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Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:12 pm GMT by Ensano
you're probably right. I've noticed far different playing styles from site to site. Not to mention I can never beat Party Poker
Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:54 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Sounds like 25NL to me.
Most of the time, careful value bets are all you usually need to beat the game. But remember VALUE bets mean don't get addicted to top pair. Try to keep the pot small with one pair and win small pots that way. Don't play the big pots until you make something big like a premium two pair, a set, or something even better.
Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:16 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I'm on Full Tilt too - I play 10nl and 25nl.
I've found that as a generalization, there are a lot of bad players at these levels. Play smart and you'll recover those buyins very quickly. What's your username?
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:02 am GMT by Ensano
if you could've guess it Ensano...
ps...Ensano
Party...Ensano
Empire...Ensano1
FullTilt....Ensano
Sun Poker... Ensano
Bet365.... Ensano
Paradise....Ensano...errr Ensano1 I think...not sure
and so on...
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:51 am GMT by khaosanroad
I'm AP0CALYP5E on Full Tilt. Getting married to top pair wasn't my problem, I kept those pots small. I would raise AJ or AQ in late position only to lose to someone who limped AK then smooth called in early position. People will not lay down top pair to a push.
Okay I've adjusted, and gotten some of my money back. I guess set mining is going to really pay off on Full Tilt.
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:15 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| khaosanroad wrote: | | I'm AP0CALYP5E on Full Tilt. Getting married to top pair wasn't my problem, I kept those pots small. I would raise AJ or AQ in late position only to lose to someone who limped AK then smooth called in early position. People will not lay down top pair to a push. |
So you were pushing with a pair then...
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:21 am GMT by TheSalche
take advantage of datamining on full tilt to figure who the passive ones are (low aggression factor)
unfortunately you can't do this kind of scouting on pstars, f*ck nazis
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:30 am GMT by khaosanroad
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | khaosanroad wrote: | | I'm AP0CALYP5E on Full Tilt. Getting married to top pair wasn't my problem, I kept those pots small. I would raise AJ or AQ in late position only to lose to someone who limped AK then smooth called in early position. People will not lay down top pair to a push. |
So you were pushing with a pair then... |
nope, I usually have at least a lower pair with an Open ended or flush draw to give me a good number of outs.
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:33 am GMT by khaosanroad
| TheSalche wrote: | take advantage of datamining on full tilt to figure who the passive ones are (low aggression factor)
unfortunately you can't do this kind of scouting on pstars, f*ck nazis |
With poker tracker? I have poker office but it doesn't work with FT
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:14 am GMT by Jauron
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | khaosanroad wrote: | | I'm AP0CALYP5E on Full Tilt. Getting married to top pair wasn't my problem, I kept those pots small. I would raise AJ or AQ in late position only to lose to someone who limped AK then smooth called in early position. People will not lay down top pair to a push. |
So you were pushing with a pair then... |
Still better than calling with...
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:19 am GMT by Ensano
sorry for highjacking the thread but I have a similar problem I keep running into when someone is smoothcalling with TPTK.. Happened in a live game just recently and then after the villian started making fun of me for being a fish.
first hand of the final table in the BB with A7s.. 6 handed and everyone calls 50.. I check pot comes Axx one spade.. the tournament was full of fish calling down with anything so i decided to fire out 2/3 pot (200) LP calls... everyone else folds... turn a spade so i fire again 2/3 pot (300)... again Lp just calls... river is a spade. I figure a check would scream that i'm afraid of the flush and any good player would bet me off the hand so i fire out a blocking bet 1/4 pot 200... villian calls and shows AK...
Question is when/if at all should I have backed off the pot?
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:26 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
I think you played it fine.
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:03 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Sounds like 25NL to me. |
I play on FT and Stars and see the same type of play at the lower limits on both sites. Lately I've been trying to rebuild my BR on Stars so I've been playing $10NL there. You have to be a sniper in those games. Remember, the guy who calls you down with TPWK when you're bluffing or semi-bluffing will also call you down when you have a stronger hand than he.
Try not to get too fancy at these levels. Once you show down with a premium hand or two after betting them the whole way (this is key), then you'll have more of a chance of stealing or semi-bluffing/bluffing them off the pot. It doesn't work for too long though as new players move to the table. TAG play seems to work pretty well at these limits as you're very likely to get paid off on your big hands. Also, if you pay attention to your opponents, you'll have more of an edge because most of them aren't paying attention to you. Figure out their raise amounts and what they indicate for a hand. Most of them are pretty easy to figure out.
I've also found that if I raise preflop I almost always raise the same amount and, no matter how scary the board may be or if I flop the nuts, I fire out a CB. In $10NL it's .30 preflop and .50 on the flop. I take down a lot of pots at these limits once I've shown down with mosters from the same bet sizes.
FWIW, I limp with AK in EP all the time.
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:50 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Jauron wrote: | | Still better than calling with... |
Oh, no doubt, but to say...
| khaosanroad wrote: | | I'm AP0CALYP5E on Full Tilt. Getting married to top pair wasn't my problem, I kept those pots small. |
...followed immediately by...
| khaosanroad wrote: | | I would raise AJ or AQ in late position only to lose to someone who limped AK then smooth called in early position. People will not lay down top pair to a push. |
...causes me to question my reading comprehension skills.
Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:35 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | Jauron wrote: | | Still better than calling with... |
Oh, no doubt, but to say...
| khaosanroad wrote: | | I'm AP0CALYP5E on Full Tilt. Getting married to top pair wasn't my problem, I kept those pots small. |
...followed immediately by...
| khaosanroad wrote: | | I would raise AJ or AQ in late position only to lose to someone who limped AK then smooth called in early position. People will not lay down top pair to a push. |
...causes me to question my reading comprehension skills. |
I'm sorry if it wasn't clear.
I kept running into people who limped AK or AQ from early position. In those hands I would have AQ or AJ in late position and the limper would smooth call my raise. I would make 1/2 or 3/4 pot bets and the AK limper would continue to smooth call and win the showdown.
In OTHER situations I would play suited connectors and see a flop that gave me 11 to 17 outs and I would push and get called everytime by someone holding top pair.
hopefully that makes more sense
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