A Little Clarification... |
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Posted Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:42 pm GMT by Replica
Ok, so me and my friends were playing a game last night, it ended up going heads up. I was chip leader 3 to 1. Yeah a good lead to begin correct? One of my friends was pissed because he went all in with a pair of queens (on the flop) and I called it with an outside straight draw. I hit my straight and he was like well you don't deserve any of my money because you shouldn't of called me because I had a better hand.
Well... Technically is there anything wrong with me calling what he had?
I had a 2,3,4,5 after the flop to his pair of queens. 2 outs. 8 cards that could of came out that would of given me the win. Statistically, the odds were in his favor, but playing an outside straight draw heads up with two outs, is not a bad call in the chip position I was in. Correct? I mean even if I still lost the hand, I would of been in good position to continue playing.
I am about to just say to hell with it and quit playing with him if that is the way he is going to be about things.
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Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:08 am GMT by exit music
It's hard to determine exactly what the math would be w/o an accurate run-down of the hand, but playing an open-ended straight draw isn't a horrible thing to do in head-up when you are massive-stacked. However, the main point of this post is that you just gotta learn that losers will almost always be pissed at you. Just laugh and your friend and say "who's got your chips?" And if he continues just ask him if he wants to play head-up for $100,000. If you want to aggitate him, call him a fish and tell him he's a moron for going all-in when you had a straight. You can also call him a donkey if you want. When he says "but I had the better hand with my queeeeeens," just ask him "why would you go all in? I HAD A STRAIGHT!!"
This should utterly piss him off enough to gamble for 100K or to never play poker with you again, based on his childish steaming, both of these results are +EV for your life.
In all reality, I love playing against whiners, especially if I put a bad-beat on them.
Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:32 am GMT by Replica
Ok. I played 3 4 suited. Spades I believe. Flop was a 2  5  Q 
It was after the flop so I still had two outs on the hand.
I completely agree with you. He shouldn't of gone all in with a pair of queens against a straight draw to begin with. Especially whenever I raised before him.
I just wanted to know if I made a good call on it. Because honestly even if it was a bad call I was in the chip position to make it. But I don't think statistically it was bad. And honestly, I suck at math and calculate odds that well but I do know its pretty decent.
Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:06 am GMT by Mia
I think it is a little bit risky, though you have good luck.I often ignore odds calculation and would rather belive my instinct before those stats.
Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:39 am GMT by zinn0
| Mia wrote: | | I think it is a little bit risky, though you have good luck.I often ignore odds calculation and would rather belive my instinct before those stats. |
greatest post ever.
Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:41 am GMT by supafrey
Sounds like Mindgame. He doesn't need so fancy shmancy new calcumators.
Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:21 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Calling all-in with just an open-end straight draw heads-up is not a winning play, because you are about a two-to-one underdog to make your hand. So yes, it IS a bad play, and you would NOT have been in very good position if you lost that hand (as a 3-to-1 leader, you are still only two hands from losing the match).
Pushing all-in with the open-end straight draw is not as bad because you have two ways to win:
1. Your opponent folds right now and you take the pot.
2. Your opponent calls but you get lucky and draw out.
However, if your buddy thinks you don't "deserve" the money because you got lucky and drew out, he's playing waaaaaay the wrong game. That's Poker, pal. Either find someone new to play with, or play a game where luck doesn't factor in as much.
Posted Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:57 pm GMT by QuietOne
I agree. I would never call an all-in with a straight draw but I will, if things are right, go all-in myself.
But beyond all of this, it's hard to say if you made the right call since we know nothing of the whole game. Was he playing tight? Loose? Woud he have gone all-in with like AJo. I've played with people who, then get two overcards to the board, push all-in, figuring the board missed you.
Now if that's the case and I think he might have just overcards or just trying to buy the pot, I'd have probably called. Why? Because I would have had even more outs, since either one of my cards pairing up would win. Thats 8 outs for the open ender and 6 outs for my hole cards pairing up. Plus a 3-1 chip lead.
Of course we have no idea what the blinds were at, how fast they were going up, how many chips do yo have compaired to the blinds.
Lets say the blinds are going up to the point where winning the pot, even just the blinds, are worthwhile. Going in with all undercards on the board might be something he could so.
You say this
| Quote: | I completely agree with you. He shouldn't of gone all in with a pair of queens against a straight draw to begin with. Especially whenever I raised before him.
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You might be wrong. He might have called you to try to make you fold your flush draw. You see, he didn't give you the proper odds to call but you called anyway.
But you won the hand and the game so you deserve it. I'd be lying if I calmed I never made a bad call and got lucky.
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