WDYD? flopped top/bottom 2 with 3 suited on flop |
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Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:06 pm GMT by efram
This came up recently, mid position, flopped bottom 2, I have no spades, but the board was 3 suited, spades. I immediately wasn't sure what to do here. From mid position, pre-flop it was folded to me, I limp, blinds limp, so I'm first to act after the flop.
I bet the pot and the blinds fold I take it down.
Did I misplay this hand?
With top or bottom 2 on a flushed board, UTG, do we always bet?
If so, how much?
It seemed if anyone had 1 or 2 spades surely you get called, or raised depending on the player and what they hold.
Is there anytime a person should check here? Check raise maybe?
thoughts on this situation.
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Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:58 pm GMT by Geno
Any 3 suited flop where you hit anything other than a flush is a dangerous place to be. There's nothing wrong with betting - if you take down the pot that is fine, if you get called, you have 4 outs to make a boat but you would probably slow down if you miss it on the turn card.
Posted Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:49 pm GMT by TheSalche
how are you first to act after the flop if you're in middle position and the blinds limped ...
Posted Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:28 am GMT by shorn7
Must bet here. Why check and potentially let a naked spade get there. Find out now if you are up against a made hand or good draw. IF you are called, you can shut it down from OOP. Also, betting the flop, whn the pot is smaller, protects more of your stack later if you are beaten. Often, making a close to pot sized or pot sized bet on the flop saves us $$ by defining our opponents range. And if we take it down right away, that is always a good result with an average, little chance to improve, made hand.
Posted Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:29 am GMT by Muck
This is just one of those nasty situations, like holding a flush against a possible fullhouse. You just have to accept that you’re not going to be able to extract top value for the hand.
Most of the time I’m betting and trying to take it down here. Being first to bet has it’s advantages. In this situation a lot of people would throw away poor to average flush draws because they might think they’re drawing dead. That avoids you being caught out by someone making a semi-bluff.
I’d also consider the stack sizes and what my odds were if I bet and he came over the top. Based on the likelihood that:
- He’s drawing with a good spade (often pretty high).
- He’s made his flush (low, unless it’s with 2 poor spades).
- He’s bluffing (small but not worth discounting).
This is if he re-raises all-in. If you both still have a lot of chips the decision gets much harder.
I don’t know if that makes any sense, I was just saying what ever came into my head about the situation.
This is the trouble with poker, there’s just so much “it depends”. Probably one of the reasons why well structured books and articles can be better at answer these kinds of questions.
Posted Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:52 pm GMT by efram
Salche wrote
' | Quote: | | how are you first to act after the flop if you're in middle position and the blinds limped ... |
Good question, I was playing on a new poker site, called Random Poker, where for every primary numbered hand, if UTG limped the hand pior to that and won a pot that is 4 times the square root of his chip stack prior to the first hand after that UTG player bought in and the player on the button of the first hand that the UTG player played when they sat down has a name starting with the same letter of the last letter of the UTG limper in the third hand previously mentioned, aaaand if the total for the last 4 pots ends in an even number and which totals less than the chip stack of all players at the same table combined the order of action is actually reversed, but only after the first round of betting and only if both blinds limp and UTG limps.
It sounds rather complicated but its really quite simple once you get it and makes for an interesting twist on the regular old hum-drum game of poker we normally play.
Posted Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:17 pm GMT by Geno
| efram wrote: | Good question, I was playing on a new poker site, called Random Poker, where for every primary numbered hand, if UTG limped the hand pior to that and won a pot that is 4 times the square root of his chip stack prior to the first hand after that UTG player bought in and the player on the button of the first hand that the UTG player played when they sat down has a name starting with the same letter of the last letter of the UTG limper in the third hand previously mentioned, aaaand if the total for the last 4 pots ends in an even number and which totals less than the chip stack of all players at the same table combined the order of action is actually reversed, but only after the first round of betting and only if both blinds limp and UTG limps.
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Standard rules then? Nice. Salche, you are such a noob 
Posted Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:49 pm GMT by TheSalche
yeah ...
Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:01 pm GMT by Muck
No wilds efram?
Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:28 pm GMT by efram
Muck wrote
Of course, how could I forget to mention the wild card clause.
Its a bit obsucre unlike the 'reverse action rule' I described earlier.
Wild cards are allowed only if a person on the button of every third hand
berates the winner of the pot they both took part in using derogatory phrases that must include at least one variation of the following types of phrases
A. 'death to one's mother'
B. 'the word donk in some form coupled with f*cking a**hole'
C. 'you can't even spell poker'
D. 'wishes of contracting AIDS toward the deliver of the bad beat or their mother'
(any form of infections and fatal disease counts here as well as any STD)
E. 'I can't believe you f*cking called my all-in with (insert really bad hole cards here, must be off-suit) you f*cking jack-ass piece of shit'
F. 'Sexual references towards bad beat dilverer's mother ie "I f*cked your mom last night" or "Your mother is a whore" are completely acceptable'
If any of these berate statements are entered into the chat field of the application, after the verification of said statements by the Random Poker support staff - hours are 9-5pm GMT, the next card dealt that matches the first hole card of the first person to fold in the 'bad beat' hand will be considered wild for the next 2 hands unless they held a pair which it will then revert to 1 less than the number of the cards unless its a face card in which the suicide rule takes affect. If there was not a folded hand it would default back to the first card of the first person to bet in the hand prior to the bad-beat hand and the pair and suicide rule applies here as well. The greatest part of this is that since its usually folded cards as wild cards, no one has a clue which card is wild at any given moment. Makes for very exciting poker lemme tell you.
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