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Flopping an idiot end str8 w/ flush draw.



Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:25 pm GMT by NCoE
Micro NL

You're in EP with 86s and the flop comes T97 with the T and 7 being of your suit.

You are 6 people in an unraised pot and you're second to act. First to act
bets the pot.

What would you do in this spot?


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Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:25 pm GMT by shorn7
Push


Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:33 pm GMT by NCoE
Would you still push if both the bettor and you are sitting with about 200bbs?


Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:41 pm GMT by TheSalche
Raise here and 4-bet/call an all-in. Jack 8 is the only hand that beats you, and you have a flush draw vs. that hand. You're more likely to see sets/two pair/ pair + straight draw hands than a made straight.


Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:53 pm GMT by NCoE
Alright. I did raise and was re-raised by two people (of witch one was the original bettor) and then called myself allin on turn (witch was blank). Turned out I was up against two J8's heh.


Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:30 pm GMT by MrDarling
fold preflop.


Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:02 am GMT by TheSalche
NCoE wrote:
Alright. I did raise and was re-raised by two people (of witch one was the original bettor) and then called myself allin on turn (witch was blank). Turned out I was up against two J8's heh.


From twodimes.net:

Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 9c Td 7d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8d 6d 288 31.89 548 60.69 67 7.42 0.344
8c Jd 20 2.21 288 31.89 595 65.89 0.339
Js 8s 0 0.00 308 34.11 595 65.89 0.317

So you have roughly a 1/3 of the pot in terms of your equity. With the dead money in the pot from preflop this still makes this a good call even if your opponents flip their cards over (note you can still tie with a jack).

This is a +EV call because you won't be up against made straights 100% of the time. You should be willing to go all-in here and "gamble" a little bit even with K5 of that suit. By gamble I really mean increased variance.






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