Best strategy for low-limit No-Limit cash games. |
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Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:42 pm GMT by Implied_Odds
I've played 1-2 no limit a few times and had great success. All games were passive. Players would limp in with anything from any position. A lot of times you would see 6-8 players seeing the flop. I would limp in with small-mid pocket pairs and suited connectors trying to catch a big draw/hand for a great price (pot odds, implied odds). And when I hit my sets, flushes, straights; I got paid off. Players would be willing to commit their whole stack to top pair and I now I love sets for that.
I would raise with my better hands preflop to narrow the field. (Hands like: AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 1010, AK, AQ, and even AJ, KQ, other pockets pairs and big suited connectors in late position). I would often raise 5-10x's the big blind and get no respect for my raises. Often, there would be 3-5 players in a raised pot and some players would hold dominated hands like A10 and KJ off suit. I would only get in the raised pots with pocket pairs, suited connectors, AK, and maybe AQ and big suited broadway.
1-2 No Limit is such a profitable game. A lot more than the low-limit games I've played for the past year. So what do you think is the best strategy for this game? What are the Do's and Dont's? I really think you could make $30k a year playing this game. At least the ones I've played. Give us your advice.
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Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:53 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Don't get fancy, and don't bluff. Too many calling stations.
Posted Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:19 pm GMT by kingetje
dont bluff sounds like bad advice to me
there are more then plenty of nits there that want to scurry out of most pots, you gota take advantage
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:52 am GMT by khaosanroad
| kingetje wrote: | dont bluff sounds like bad advice to me
there are more then plenty of nits there that want to scurry out of most pots, you gota take advantage |
Where are they? On average there might be 1 nit at your table who will fold to a push, the rest are calling stations.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:29 pm GMT by raisebot
It all depends on the game.
If you're playing one of the 1/2 games with a $200 cap (which are so common these days), then you really shouldn't be bluffing often, since the stacks are generally small to begin with, so people tend to call more.
If you're playing a 1/2 game with no cap and the stacks are deep, then you can take more chances and try to buy more pots, since the risk is much greater.
Basic stuff, but a fairly good general rule to go by.
BTW, I f.cking hate 1/2 NL.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:55 pm GMT by supafrey
100bb really isn't that short.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:47 pm GMT by raisebot
Considering the standard opening raise is 6x-10x the bb ($12-$20), then yes it is short.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:54 pm GMT by supafrey
The standard opening raise at most 1/2 tables is not 6 to 10bb.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:57 pm GMT by zinn0
It was in vegas.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:58 pm GMT by supafrey
5-8, maybe, in all the live games i've been to.
100bb isn't that short.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:11 pm GMT by Kearsed
Last night I won 850 at a 1-2 NL table 
I must have played for about 8 hours, went by fast
100 dollars an hour isnt so bad for manual labor 
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:59 pm GMT by groton
| supafrey wrote: | | The standard opening raise at most 1/2 tables is not 6 to 10bb. |
the standered opping bet at foxwoods for there 1/2 game is 10 dollers
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:07 pm GMT by raisebot
| supafrey wrote: | 5-8, maybe, in all the live games i've been to.
100bb isn't that short. |
I've yet to see "$5" as the 'standard' opening raise in 1/2 NL. Make it five straight and everybody first laughs at you, then they all call.
And trust me, I've played much more live B&M 1/2 than you. $10 is the bare minimum opening bet to get any sort of respect whatsoever.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:14 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| raisebot wrote: | | I've yet to see "$5" as the 'standard' opening raise in 1/2 NL. Make it five straight and everybody first laughs at you, then they all call. |
Since he was talking about 5 TIMES to 8 TIMES the BB as being standard, I think we'd all agree.
| raisebot wrote: | | And trust me, I've played much more live B&M 1/2 than you. $10 is the bare minimum opening bet to get any sort of respect whatsoever. |
Most raising on the east coast is closer to supa's range. Anything higher than that, and they'll laugh at you.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:19 pm GMT by groton
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | raisebot wrote: | | I've yet to see "$5" as the 'standard' opening raise in 1/2 NL. Make it five straight and everybody first laughs at you, then they all call. |
Since he was talking about 5 TIMES to 8 TIMES the BB as being standard, I think we'd all agree.
| raisebot wrote: | | And trust me, I've played much more live B&M 1/2 than you. $10 is the bare minimum opening bet to get any sort of respect whatsoever. |
Most raising on the east coast is closer to supa's range. Anything higher than that, and they'll laugh at you. |
i dont know sean iv seen a few 1/2 games at Foxwoods that played more like 2/5 the bare Min opping raise is ten iv done a few times with Monster hands five and six doller bets just to get someone to reraise me so i can stack them 
but im also the type of player at Foxwoods who Stradeled everytime i can just so i can pop it to twenty or thirty once it gets back to me if i have a decent hand
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:28 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| groton wrote: | | i dont know sean iv seen a few 1/2 games at Foxwoods that played more like 2/5 the bare Min opping raise is ten iv done a few times with Monster hands five and six doller bets just to get someone to reraise me so i can stack them |
Ok, I'll slow down for everyone since the reading comprehension and math skills aren't up to snuff today...
Ok, we're talking about 1/2NL. That means that the small blind is $1 and the big blind is twice that, or $2. $1*2 = $2.
With me so far? Good.
The range of raise sizes that supa gave, and that I agree with since it fits my personal experience as well, is 5X to 8X the big blind.
Now, backtracking to the math part, to put this in monetary terms, you can expect the range of raise sizes to be $10 to $16. $2*5=$10, $2*8=$16.
Oddly enough, the bottom end of that range happens to be the same number that you quoted as the bare minimum: $10.
What was the point you were arguing exactly?
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:52 pm GMT by Kearsed
I was playing at the Borgata last night in AC and most of the bets preflop were 10-15.......a couple 5 dollar bets, 20, 25 as well
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:56 am GMT by raisebot
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | groton wrote: | | i dont know sean iv seen a few 1/2 games at Foxwoods that played more like 2/5 the bare Min opping raise is ten iv done a few times with Monster hands five and six doller bets just to get someone to reraise me so i can stack them |
Ok, I'll slow down for everyone since the reading comprehension and math skills aren't up to snuff today...
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The range of raise sizes that supa gave, and that I agree with since it fits my personal experience as well, is 5X to 8X the big blind.
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What was the point you were arguing exactly? |
| supafrey wrote: | | The standard opening raise at most 1/2 tables is not 6 to 10bb. |
| supafrey wrote: | 5-8, maybe, in all the live games i've been to.
100bb isn't that short. |
5-8 what? dollars? big blinds? He didn't put "bb" after 5-8 so I'll comprehend it as meaning dollars.
I said 6-10bb ($12-$20), he disagreed, only saying "5-8". If he's talking about bb ($10-$16) and not dollar amount, he's not far off from my quote. But since you almost never see someone raise to $16, I'll interpret his comment as meaning dollars.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:57 am GMT by supafrey
my head really, really hurts.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:15 am GMT by zinn0
So does mine.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:23 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| raisebot wrote: | | 5-8 what? dollars? big blinds? He didn't put "bb" after 5-8 so I'll comprehend it as meaning dollars. |
I guess I'm the only one that didn't lose the context of the thread then.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:34 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | Most raising on the east coast is closer to supa's range. Anything higher than that, and they'll laugh at you. |
I must concur uness you're playing the Trop during spring break. For some reason those kids love the $25 PF raise. I love college kids. They're playing with mommy & daddy's money I guess.
The few times I played in Vegas I found that only the absolute maniacs open-raised to more than 10xBB.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:32 pm GMT by Gunslinger
I'd love for someone to answer the OP's question about how to play in these games, because I'm in the exact same boat. Where I play, at the Bike, the standard raise at 1/2 NL is 5X BB ($10), and you always get 3-5 callers. The worst part is, though, at all L.A. casinos the max buy-in at 1/2 is $40. Raising any more to thin the field will basically commit you. You have to gamble and get lucky to build a stack. If you're just starting out, and you make a standard raise and get 3+ callers, you have to push or fold any flop instead of, god forbid, play poker.
Posted Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:49 am GMT by raisebot
| Gunslinger wrote: | I'd love for someone to answer the OP's question about how to play in these games,
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at all L.A. casinos the max buy-in at 1/2 is $40 |
Don't even bother playing.
Posted Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:50 pm GMT by Gunslinger
| raisebot wrote: | | Don't even bother playing. |
The amount of BB's you're allowed to buy-in for doesn't get much better as you go to higher limits. Just less affordable for my bankroll. I gots to take what I can get.
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