Learn this game or go back to where I came from. Need advice |
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Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:08 am GMT by kristopher9876
I haven’t posted here in a while but I need your advice again. I learned Limit mostly from reading SSH and FTR posts and was doing fine at the limits I was playing (moving from 2-4 to 9-18 b&M). After our B&M limit games dried up, I moved to NL 3 months back.
So far I have played 300 hours of NL @ B&M.
100$ Buyin - 83 hours +$970
300$ buyin - 220 hours -$436
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Net: 506$ in about 300 hours...PATHETIC
Now, most of these hours in the beginning I was learning NL and making fundamental mistakes (overplaying AK, c-betting where shouldn’t, stacking off with 1 pair, stacking off against flushes etc, some bad runs ). Now that I have gotten the hang of it, I feel like I have improved a lot in the past 3 months but still feel frustrated time to time. Also even though I feel I have learnt a lot, my results don’t reflect that.
Arguments in sticking to NL:
1) I love this game a lot more than Limit. I never need to read magazines while playing this game and getting cold run of cards. Just watching the action makes it interesting enough for me.
2) Variance is lower.
3) If I eventually get this game, then I will make a lot of money + not getting crazy with downswings that are so common in limit.
Arguments for quitting:
1) I am losing money (if you consider time value of money). If I was playing 4-8 ----- 6-12 I would have won at least 3-4 grand playing limits.
2) Maybe I will never get this game no matter how hard I try.
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1) Can a winning limit player supposedly NEVER get this game no matter how hard he tries.
2) Should a player keep plugging away learning a game where as he could be making money if he was playing a different game. In short, should winning money be more important than playing a game that I actually enjoy a lot more.
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Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:34 pm GMT by TheSalche
FYI downswings are probably more common in No limit, and it looks like thats what you're experiencing right now at the $300 buyin tables.
Certainly a winning limit player can win at NL as long as they make the right adjustments. You're current $/hour is low, but if you keep working at it, I'm sure you'll get it. Post hands, buy a book or two, etc.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:37 pm GMT by zinn0
wasn't this posted verbatim a few weeks ago?
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:39 pm GMT by supafrey
yes.
and this...
| Quote: | | FYI downswings are probably more common in No limit, and it looks like thats what you're experiencing right now at the $300 buyin tables. |
is wrong.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:11 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
My FL is much swingier than my NL.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:25 pm GMT by groton
well What i think he ment on the downswings being more down
is in FL if your ina Downswing u can contain your losses beter then in NL where your more likely to lose more money faster
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:30 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| groton wrote: | well What i think he ment on the downswings being more down
is in FL if your ina Downswing u can contain your losses beter then in NL where your more likely to lose more money faster |
You win it back slower. Why does no one think of that?
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:12 pm GMT by supafrey
and containing usually just means playing badly.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:16 pm GMT by TheSalche
Dunno ... I hear way more often of people going on breakeven stretches for 10K hands, 20 - 30 buy-in downswings, etc in no limit
The swings I see in stud are sick sometimes, but its never gotten close to breaking the bank
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:10 pm GMT by supafrey
no.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:22 am GMT by TheSalche
nother insightful post
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:42 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
First off, if I go on a 200BB downswing in FL, I can't win it back in 3 hands. There's nothing more deflating than being stuck two buy-ins, knowing it may take 3 or 4 sessions to get back to even.
Secondly, it's easier to fold in NL than it is in FL. In an aggressive, tricky FL game, you wind up calling down in situations that would be easy folds in a NL game.
Thirdly...well, I'm tired and don't feel like giving it any more thought.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:25 am GMT by zinn0
nah, you pretty much nailed it sean. nh.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:11 am GMT by supafrey
there's really nothing insightful i need to do. when people post opinions that are flat out wrong, but provide little more basis than "i heard it this way" a simple no is enough.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:59 pm GMT by TheSalche
yeah, but note sean actually explained himself
sorry i posted something incorrect
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