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Tournament Move Question



Posted Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:49 pm GMT by Ciso_B
I have a tight image on this table, my opponent raises in lateish position with a wide range of hands based on waht I have observed. I felt I also had enough chips and so did he to fold to a re raise, so I saw it as a 20-25% increase in my stack with not a huge amount of risk despite moving all in. Thoughts Welcome.


PokerStars Game #7688209153: Tournament #38291999, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/12/30 - 22:31:52 (ET)
Table '38291999 60' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Neab (4920 in chips)
Seat 2: tiger1963 (3820 in chips)
Seat 3: cheese625 (3850 in chips)
Seat 4: DragonChips (4000 in chips)
Seat 5: All_in_at420 (3410 in chips)
Seat 6: DrCaligula (4105 in chips)
Seat 7: sammyss (4650 in chips)
Seat 8: sportingimag (4430 in chips)
Seat 9: irishpot (2380 in chips)
irishpot: posts small blind 100
Neab: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab Ten of DiamondsFour of Diamonds
tiger1963: folds
cheese625: folds
DragonChips: folds
All_in_at420: folds
DrCaligula: raises 400 to 600
sammyss: folds
sportingimag: folds
irishpot: folds
Neab: raises 4320 to 4920 and is all-in


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Posted Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:29 am GMT by kompis
the move is inherintly high risk because u have put all your chips in preflop with nothing/


Posted Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:39 am GMT by Skribbles
Horibble IMO. Those 600 chips won't mean much in another 20 minutes so why risk you stack here? HUGE risk, tiny reward.


Posted Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:39 am GMT by supafrey
pointless question.


Posted Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:15 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I hate it, because it's just guesswork Poker. Maybe he has a hand, maybe he doesn't, but that's just too much risk for my taste when you aren't that desperate for chips.


Posted Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:39 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Yeah I generally agree with you guys, sometimes this is a good way of building chips, but it would be better to just re riase on a steal more so if everyone is really deep. It was a bad bet and not a great reward either. He called me and had J J and I lost, I thought at the time it wasnt really really bad , but on reflection it truly is.


Posted Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:29 pm GMT by exit music
I don't really hate this move considering your opponent is rather aggressive, he can only really call with JJ-AA or AK, although because of the fact that your opponent is loose/aggressive, he might be calling with hands down to 88+AJs possibly depending on how wild he is.

Clearly it isn't always wrong to make this kind of raise without a hand, I'm not sure how this play compares to a squeeze-play, in my poker lifetime I have never successfully executed a squeeze-raise, yet I have made this kind of raise rather successfully. Although there's the odd time when you get stacked.



Posted Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:32 pm GMT by exit music
Errr I didn't notice that you were the table chipleader before this hand started... I definitely wouldn't make this move unless I was getting desperate, you still have an M of 16~ so no need for this move in this spot.

Err also the 700 chips you stand to pick up here only represents 14% of your stack.



Posted Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:44 pm GMT by xGinNJuicex
There's no reason to make this move here but if you think he will lay down to a reraise why so much? raising to 1800 here still leaves with with an M over 10 and probably has the same effect.


Posted Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:42 pm GMT by Ciso_B
It was a bad move ginjuice.


Posted Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:43 pm GMT by xGinNJuicex
i know. that's basically what i was saying. my only point was that if you were itching to reraise, then it should have been for less. i would have laid it down with that chipstack in that situation.





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