Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:51 pm GMT by paradoxrip
Hi. New to the forums. Im glad to have found such a great place for Hold em info.
2 questions.
1st. I've tried and held a decent bankroll at a few sites. Then out of no where I seem to slump until i'm tapped. I usually play $30 to $50 Sit N Go's and similar midrange tourny's. Is this common? I play a pretty solid game so when I cannot win for long streaks I get a little frustrated and honestly suspicious. Anyone else have similar results?
Site's I've uninstalled due to regular bad beats and river splashes.
Party Poker
Paradise Poker
Absolute Poker
2nd. Due to a family illness I recently bought into Poker Stars with much less than normal. I've tripled my bankroll so far. So Im curious does anyone have some solid advice or system on moving up to higher $$$ tables without seriously jepordizing my hard earned bankroll?
Lastly Poker Star seems (like a lot of sites) seems to love the river splash. Anyone else notice this? I've seen a lot of people call it the Poker Stars special. Anyone have info how to avoid these traps? I've been caught on quite a few already. Seems more common than not.
Thanks in advance!
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Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:09 pm GMT by kingetje
these are not traps or splashes. its POKER.
maybe you should play live
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:33 pm GMT by supafrey
quit poker + suicide, obviously.
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:18 pm GMT by paradoxrip
| kingetje wrote: | these are not traps or splashes. its POKER.
maybe you should play live |
I play live alot thanks... 
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:20 pm GMT by paradoxrip
| supafrey wrote: | | quit poker + suicide, obviously. |
Yeah being an A$$ hole online is cool I guess...
Suicide dude? Man grow and get a life you loser.
Hope there's more classy people on-line than the 2 morons that replied so far.
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:21 pm GMT by supafrey
please tell us more about your river splashes and big live experience. I love getting professional opinions on online poker randomness.
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:40 pm GMT by kingetje
| paradoxrip wrote: | | kingetje wrote: | these are not traps or splashes. its POKER.
maybe you should play live |
I play live alot thanks... |
and you NEVER get beat on the river live right? that only happens on the internets
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:43 pm GMT by MrDarling
Relax guys.
There are many player who lose money online and start wondering about the honesty of a site. The thing is, no one wonders when someone call hugh bets with no draws and lose, and its happen more often then when they hit a miracle card. You just see many more hands online and there are many more fish..
As for BR management, I suggest search the forum. This is one of the most important sides of a serious poker player. If you play outside your BR you're bound to get broke. Even if you do play the best poker ever.
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:10 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Some bankroll management tips/guidelines:
For NL cash:
Have 20+ (max) buyins for your limit
For FL cash:
Have 250-300 BB (big bets) for your limit
Sngs:
Have at LEAST 15 buyins, 20+ is much safer.
Bigger tournaments follow same guidelines pretty much.
There are a lot of people who think online poker rigged or altered, and it's more than often an excuse to compensate for their online losses. Poker sites do not manipulate the game at all - it's a myth.
King was right btw, it happens just as often in live play, and if you can't see that, you clearly don't play enough.
After seeing these bankroll guidelines, were you playing within your bankroll?
Posted Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:16 pm GMT by aaronw
I think one of the reasons it seems to happen more online is because you play so many more hands than you do live. Also, with multi-tabling, you can multiply that even more. So you are seeing more hands in a shorter period of time, thus you are seeing more bad beats than live and you think its "rigged".
Posted Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:04 am GMT by paradoxrip
| kingetje wrote: | | paradoxrip wrote: | | kingetje wrote: | these are not traps or splashes. its POKER.
maybe you should play live |
I play live alot thanks... |
and you NEVER get beat on the river live right? that only happens on the internets |
Thats my point... It seems far more frequent online.
Posted Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:06 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: |
After seeing these bankroll guidelines, were you playing within your bankroll? |
Posted Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:09 am GMT by TheSalche
| aaronw wrote: | | I think one of the reasons it seems to happen more online is because you play so many more hands than you do live. Also, with multi-tabling, you can multiply that even more. So you are seeing more hands in a shorter period of time, thus you are seeing more bad beats than live and you think its "rigged". |
Posted Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:11 am GMT by paradoxrip
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | Some bankroll management tips/guidelines:
For NL cash:
Have 20+ (max) buyins for your limit
For FL cash:
Have 250-300 BB (big bets) for your limit
Sngs:
Have at LEAST 15 buyins, 20+ is much safer.
Bigger tournaments follow same guidelines pretty much.
There are a lot of people who think online poker rigged or altered, and it's more than often an excuse to compensate for their online losses. Poker sites do not manipulate the game at all - it's a myth.
King was right btw, it happens just as often in live play, and if you can't see that, you clearly don't play enough.
After seeing these bankroll guidelines, were you playing within your bankroll? |
Thanks for the info. I really never looked at the amount of hands played compared to live. So that could be a very valid point.
I believe I was playing within my BR. Although I did on a couple of occasions move up to table about 3x my normal buy in.
Posted Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:12 am GMT by Skribbles
| paradoxrip wrote: | | kingetje wrote: | | paradoxrip wrote: | | kingetje wrote: | these are not traps or splashes. its POKER.
maybe you should play live |
I play live alot thanks... |
and you NEVER get beat on the river live right? that only happens on the internets |
Thats my point... It's far more frequent online. |
I've noticed that when I play online I am dealt more hands. But that prolly has nothing to do with it.
Posted Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:17 am GMT by TheSalche
paradox ...
it seems like your unfamiliar with some pretty basic stuff, like bankroll management and variance ... can you really afford to play $30 and $50 SnGs? you can burn through money pretty quickly even at those levels
you gotta understand that poker is all about the long term and you can have short term upswings and downswings. just because you're running well and cashing in a lot of sngs, doesn't mean that you should immediately move up
Posted Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:54 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I would also like to state, in defense of the original respondents, that the reason you received the responses you did was because of the plethora of "online poker is rigged" threads that have surfaced here in the last few years. It appears that most of the people who post this are just playing poorly, playing out of their bankroll, making bad decisions or just dealing with variance and want someone/something to blame. Therefore, it must be the site because it couldn't possibly be their play.
I suggest you read through the threads here. You'll have a world of excellent advice right at your fingertips. Welcome to the forum and good luck.
Posted Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:10 pm GMT by efram
I wish people could try to be nicer in general.
I understand the "plethora" of "poker is rigged" threads on this site can
cause irritation levels to rise as more pop up. But would it possible for people to make an effort to be respectful? I guarantee there will be more in the future. If a person continues to argue with THP'rs responses that online poker is not rigged and its due to the number of hands played etc as explained in this thread, if the OP wants to ignore this logic and continue to berate online poker then I can understand angry responses.
The OP didn't spam nor did he disrepect anyone in anyway. He stated his belief that some sites might be rigged and was met with venom and anger. He was mis-guided in his thinking and needed careful nudging in the right direction. Is this so hard to do without being mean to people?
Let me state, It is entirely possible for online poker to be rigged. More than likely its not on the vast majority of reputable sites out there, but that doesn't mean its not "possibe" for it to be "riggable" in the sites favor.
Given the nature of computer programming and the fact that this is the internet and the fact that there is money involved, its possible things could be easily fudged in the sites favor.
I repeat the word, possible. I don't believe it is, but its possible.
Given the "possibility" factor with regards to online poker, and the difference as compared to live play, is it no wonder people come up with thoughts and beliefs that online poker is rigged?
Shouldn't be too surprising given the possibility and the difference between live and online play.
With that, can people learn to accept these threads and treat others with respect until they open the 'flame doors' and possibly actually deserve to be flamed?
Is that possible?
Posted Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:31 pm GMT by kingetje
i dont think i was being mean to this guy at all. al i said was that maybe he should play live poker to see suckouts happen there as well.... then he called me a moron.
Posted Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:35 pm GMT by supafrey
No.
Also, these posts about rigged-osity are very much like discussions concerning "if we have AA and everyone goes in do we call". Verbal shit-shooting about things that are irrelevant. It's a waste of time.
Posted Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:34 pm GMT by efram
nice quote, etcetera
supafrey wrote:
| Quote: | | It's a waste of time. |
If this is your, and maybe other's view, then wouldn't not responding be a better use of your time then wasting your time being vitriolic?
Someone else's waste if time may be another's dream come true.
its all perspective
"I'm all in"
Posted Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:59 am GMT by BeerWench13
Ever been in customer service, efram? Ever had about 1400 customers ask the same stupid question in a row? The first few don't really bother you that much, but after about the 15th time you've heard the same question that is complely moronic and/or lacking in common sense in your eyes, don't you begin to lose your patience? Does customer #15 know that you've already heard the same dumb question 14 times prior? No. They heard the same new report or whatever and think their question is legitimate. Though it may be to them, you as the CSR are pretty fed up with the whole thing. Therefore, you're likely to be a bit less patient with customers #15-1400 then you were with the first 14.
The same thing goes here. That is why I posted as I did to make sure the OP understood why they received the responses they did in the tone in which they were made. I'm not saying it's right to "flame" a new poster who is asking a question that they think is legitimate, but it's human nature to finally lose patience and give a less than patient response because it's the same old thing over and over and it gets really old really fast.
Posted Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:06 am GMT by zinn0
flame flame flame. thats what this forum is really for, silly.
Posted Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:04 pm GMT by efram
beerwench wrote:
| Quote: | | Ever been in customer service, efram? |
As a matter of fact I have worked customer support/tech support for an ISP many years ago and let me tell you, it did try my patience beyond comprehension. Have you ever tried explaining how to get Eudora working to an 80 year old drunk who doesn't know what the 'start' button is, does or is even located? That will try your patience. I would often simply 'mute' my phone and express my frustration verbally, 'un-mute' and continue on with proper customer service engagement policies. The key here is expressing frustration off line. If it bothers you that much, don't reply. Let others who can do so with a decent tone reply. If you consider it a waste of your time, don't waste your time. Its pretty simple.
There will be more "poker is rigged" threads. Its inevitable given human nature and that of computers and the internet.
| Quote: | | Therefore, you're likely to be a bit less patient with customers #15-1400 then you were with the first 14. |
Less patient is one thing. One can be less patient without being rude, mean or venomous. I'm not asking for people to curb responses to the point of smurfdom, however I do think its not that difficult to be even semi-polite, coupled with a little frustration as opposed to being downright mean.
I appreciated your explanation for the unnecessary tone in some of the replies received, I think OP appreciated that as well.
"I fold"
Posted Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:20 pm GMT by Geno
Online poker isn't rigged, live is though. That's the great irony of this life I tell you.
Posted Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:08 am GMT by BeerWench13
Well stated, efram and point taken.
| efram wrote: | | I'm not asking for people to curb responses to the point of smurfdom |
For some reason, this statement really made me laugh. It could be that I'm still a little drunk this morning, but smurfdom? Hilarious.
Posted Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:32 pm GMT by Muck
| paradoxrip wrote: | | LeafsFan1122 wrote: | Some bankroll management tips/guidelines:
For NL cash:
Have 20+ (max) buyins for your limit
For FL cash:
Have 250-300 BB (big bets) for your limit
Sngs:
Have at LEAST 15 buyins, 20+ is much safer.
Bigger tournaments follow same guidelines pretty much.
There are a lot of people who think online poker rigged or altered, and it's more than often an excuse to compensate for their online losses. Poker sites do not manipulate the game at all - it's a myth.
King was right btw, it happens just as often in live play, and if you can't see that, you clearly don't play enough.
After seeing these bankroll guidelines, were you playing within your bankroll? |
Thanks for the info. I really never looked at the amount of hands played compared to live. So that could be a very valid point.
I believe I was playing within my BR. Although I did on a couple of occasions move up to table about 3x my normal buy in. |
I don’t know if this has already been mentioned (or if you’re still here and will ever read this) but in regard to bankroll management if you can’t afford to reload and don’t want to go bust drop down limits when your bankroll gets dangerously low.
If you have a long cold streak that leaves you with 3-4 buyins you should drop you’re limits and build up again. I know people hate this because it slows them down but I haven’t reloaded in 3 years.
I’m only a hobby player and the pros may say different but I like my poker to be self sustaining and I’m in no rush to double my income.
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