Posted Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:11 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Full Tilt Poker Game #1554467395: Table Ballinger - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:44:37 ET - 2007/01/07
Seat 1: nikemac ($21), is sitting out
Seat 2: Penfold2301 ($22.90)
Seat 3: dgl-44 ($22.75)
Seat 4: Flightless ($21.05)
Seat 5: DaZpinner ($24)
Seat 6: 300bowler296 ($29)
Seat 7: Padre07 ($4.70)
Seat 8: AP0CALYP5E ($43.75)
Seat 9: cjk1981 ($22.90)
cjk1981 posts the small blind of $0.10
Penfold2301 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AP0CALYP5E  
dgl-44 calls $0.25
Flightless folds
DaZpinner folds
300bowler296 calls $0.25
Padre07 folds
AP0CALYP5E calls $0.25
cjk1981 raises to $1.50
Penfold2301 calls $1.25
dgl-44 folds
300bowler296 folds
AP0CALYP5E calls $1.25
*** FLOP ***   
cjk1981 bets $3.50
Penfold2301 folds
AP0CALYP5E raises to $42.25, and is all in
cjk1981 calls $17.90, and is all in
AP0CALYP5E shows
cjk1981 shows  
Uncalled bet of $20.85 returned to AP0CALYP5E
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
AP0CALYP5E shows a flush, Queen high
cjk1981 shows a pair of Kings
AP0CALYP5E wins the pot ($45.45) with a flush, Queen high
cjk1981 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47.80 | Rake $2.35
Board:
Naturally I was cursed and criticized by several several players. I was the bigstack and I was playing TAG, so i figure opponent was the idiot to call me with just a pair.
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Posted Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:32 pm GMT by aaronw
No, it was a fine play. You are actually a slight favourite in the hand. (~52:48). You got the money in as a favourite and won. Nice hand sir.
Posted Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:39 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
OK by me.
Posted Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:43 pm GMT by khaosanroad
I just couldn't believe people were saying that I was way behind, but maybe I give people too much credit.
Posted Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:47 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| khaosanroad wrote: | | I just couldn't believe people were saying that I was way behind, but maybe I give people too much credit. |
I still hear people that are convinced a naked flush draw is 50/50 to come in. Don't give it any more thought.
Posted Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:53 pm GMT by Gunslinger
With the fold equity you are getting from someone just c-betting a missed flop, or even laying down TP, your play is definitely +EV.
Posted Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:53 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| Gunslinger wrote: | | With the fold equity you are getting from someone just c-betting a missed flop, or even laying down TP, your play is definitely +EV. |
exactly what I was thinking. If he pushed and I called it's a coinflip, but with me pushing the possibility of him folding makes this move profitable.
Posted Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:27 am GMT by suitedaces84
Going all-in is +EV relative to folding. But is it +EV relative to calling?
Posted Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:32 am GMT by groton
that was a great place worst case he has The Ace high flush draw
i mean u got the Flush Draw+the OESD so that gives u six more outs 
Posted Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:45 am GMT by khaosanroad
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Going all-in is +EV relative to folding. But is it +EV relative to calling? |
Calling an all-in is just a 50/50 gamble, but a call I probably still make to shake up my tight image.
Posted Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:50 am GMT by MrDarling
I always find it funny when people are trying to justify their play ON THE TABLE!
I'll often say sorry when I out draw someone or out play someone for a hugh pot. But not if they steam. If they steam I either ignore them or help them steam a little (but in the most polite manner)
Lets face it, people who lose money always complain.
Posted Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:31 am GMT by tame_deuces
Seems fairly standard to me, there might be a bigger gain from calling on the flop pending on the opponent. Some people pay off when you hit, esp at these levels - pushing strong draws versus people like that generally yields close to 0EV situations whereas hitting can make a $$$.
Now, I don't know THIS guy's motives for calling but I really fail to see how his call was idiotic either, your large flop overbet is very typical for a semi-bluff hence he should prolly call even if he might be behind.
Posted Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:27 pm GMT by BBQSquirrel
Shoving is definitely +EV, but passive loose callers it might be even higher EV to just call. They will pay you off even after you hit your draw (esp. the straight). Against tougher players shoving is certainly an indisputable play.
Posted Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:44 pm GMT by snoogins47
This is way beyond standard against most sorts of 'reasonable' opponent template.
This is one of those hands where you're virtually never in very bad shape, and virtually never in very good shape. If your rule of thumb in these spots is "Do anything you can to get all of your money in on the flop" you're pretty much spot on.
I don't even know if calling is right against most loose-passive types. Your money cards are all scary, and even if he'll usually pay you off with an overpair et al even when the flush card comes, it gives him way more incentive to fold than we want in those spots. And when we miss the turn, life tends to suck. Stack sizes seem right in line with making shoving the flop right here, against virtually everybody.
Suited: you forget, 0EV is a magical, legitimate, real boundary, and all we should care about. Duh.
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